bahbah, perpetually championing the plight of the poor and the downtrodden.

Please cite where in the article it says he shot at police

how about people getting killed and seriously injured in these riots? they don't matter right?
small businesses mostly minority owned don't matter.

black lives matter- you know only as long as they're ended by cops or white people. if they're ended by another black person then who gives a **** that doesn't get ratings.

Initial reports suggested it was either him or someone else near him, but now it has been confirmed it was him.

The problem is that this is difficult to accomplish for at least three reasons. First, in New York, at least, there is little or no organizing principle behind the protests. There is no obvious leadership with which to engage. Second, the goal of the protests is very general. It basically amounts to "police should do better and quit being so violent with minorities." That's a fine goal, but there is a lot of room for debate about what policies would work best to achieve the goal. Third, there may not be a policy that will actually accomplish significant change in the immediate term. I'm not suggesting that problem is unimportant or unsolvable. I'm suggesting that, even with the best policies, it probably will take years to turn around a lot of the worst police forces in the United States.

Why is the boomers answer to everything GET A JOB? Why are youths so misunderstood?

This is an absolutely awful take. Curbing free expression and the right to protest peacefully, ostensibly in the name of law of order, is a road to nowhere good.

Jesus, Hue. Watch the video in the link.

Taken from the other place. These seemed good tips:

-get some shatter-proof glasses. Rubber bullet in the eye is serious
-don't take any leaflets from anyone. If you get arrested, the content could get you into trouble.

Much different story if that's the case ofc

You made a specific claim, that McAtee fired at the cops who shot him.

What timestamp in the video shows that happening?

the video has no audio and doesn't show any shooting. if only ANY, like a single one of the 30 cops on scene were using their issued body cameras that are supposed to be on all the time...

I think protesters should be self aware and curbing their own expression right now. But if you are a protester and agree with Wookie that your entire city being looted and burned down is worth the price of your ability to express yourself at this moment, then carry on I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxTqyW8yI0

Still don't believe him? Looked like pure lawlessness there yesterday.

On the flip side, Wookie's and Trolly's take that no one should give a **** about property damage is pretty bad as well. This isn't just about AutoZone or Macy's. I live in the midst of a lot of small, minority- and immigrant-owned, businesses. Many have been suffering economically because of the pandemic and were just on the verge of being allowed to reopen. I don't want to see them vandalized. I don't want to see them looted. I don't want to see them burned out.

Lacking empathy for those people, or pretending like Citibank and Nordstroms are the only sorts of businesses that are affected, is closer to evidence of privilege than evidence of actual concern about privilege.

I don't have to agree with Wookie to think that your take was terrible.

Nutella, goofy and slighted all sound like this guy's mother who yesterday (before she saw the video) said:

"He was a good person. Everybody around him would say that," she said. "My son didn't hurt nobody. He didn't do nothing to nobody."

Technically she may be right because I don't think any of his shots hit anyone, but someone who shoots at the police likely has hurt other people.

Are there any particular points in the video you think we should focus on? I scrubbed through it and stopped at thumbnails that looked like there might be some action happening and...gotta be honest, I was expecting a lot worse based on Kelhus' posts. A lot worse. I didn't see any fires (maybe there were some? I just didn't catch them scrubbing through the video?), no buildings destroyed that I saw, lots of broken windows and stuff but like, is that what we're supposed to be so horrified about here? Broken windows??

If that's the worst damage in all of Southern California, then I'm significantly more angry at the police than I was a few minutes ago for all the escalation they've done over that weak ****.

So that's a no, you can't point us to any evidence that backs up your claim? Thanks for playing!

I'll save you the time

You jumped the gun because you needed a gotcha that all these black victims really had it coming to them.

Now, of course, it's a tragedy of circumstances, but police should be better trained to reduce 'tragedies of circumstances' and it would seem legitimate for people to protest for better policing, even when it's not just pure malicious edge cases.

What do you think is going on in the video? You think he is pointing a remote control at them and hitting the pause button and the police are like "oh, no run for cover before all those pauses hit us"

Do we need HD quality videos to prove a gun was shot?

Considering how hard the police was begging to release the video and how quiet the family has been since the release of the video I think we can all come to the same conclusion on what happened. Do we really need to wait for a report to be released that a gun was found near his body and casing around the door frame?

The support for violence (or burning the place down if you somehow believe that's not violent) is a total disaster. It has to be opposed.

Determinedly peaceful protest is the way to go. Protesters can't just give up because others exploit it but it can be done in as clearly a peaceful way as possible.

I do not think all black victims have it coming to them. I do think someone who shoots at police have it coming to them no matter their race.

If you can't watch that video and know that he is shooting at police then I don't know what to tell you. They are the only people approaching him. It is literally a smoking gun.

Some of you are suggesting he isn't shooting a gun while others are admitting he is shooting his gun, but that I can't prove it is at the only people near where he is firing - the police.

The police have literally said that they don't know themselves who McAtee was firing at, it even says that explicitly in the article you linked.

As for the video, it doesn't actually show him shooting and it takes some serious analysis to even be sure he had a gun. The video also has no audio and it is completely impossible to tell when shots were fired by anyone; the only evidence of shots at all is smoke/dust flying around and some glass shattering (I don't think I would have even realised he got shot himself if all I knew was what was in the video). The absolute most you could claim from the video is that he appeared to raise his arm and may well have had a gun in it, and even that is circumstantial because the only time there is a vaguely clear image of a gun is when it is on the floor after he was shot and he presumably dropped it.

As for the police chief being fired, I personally don't give a crap whether the officers were justified in firing or not, if there is no enforcement of body cameras being used then he deserves to be fired regardless.

Here's the thread on it in the link Mickey posted