Just stop. Nobody (except Kelhus) is saying that the protests need to stop. And I'm certainly not weeping for Autozone (or its moral equivalent), as you well know.

And I don't have to make a binary choice between caring about the Yemeni deli owner I've known for fifteen years and caring about police violence.

Looks like they told them to get out of the car.

They didn't want to get out of the car.

What are the police supposed to do? Let them drive away?

Forcibly arresting somebody that doesn't want to be arrested will always appear to be aggravated assault.

In the entire country? Of course not.

I'm not sure, and neither are you, and neither were the cops. That's the difference between good policing and poor policing

I never said we're all good. I said the looting and rioting is stupid and so is your defending of it. Don't put words in my mouth.
And stop being so disingenuous about what's actually happening with the riots pretending it's just a couple of big businesses that have been burnt.

For what crime did the police have probable cause?

exactly.

That is a different issue. To be fired for bogus arrest would sit better with me.

I still don't understand the military bit

Your reading comprehension sucks.
Do you think it was white owned business being torched during the Rodney King riots?
White owned on Fordham road in the Bronx last night?
White owned if they go to coop city tonight like they're planning which is 88 percent black/hispanic?

The majority of small businesses being destroyed by black people angry at the police are minority owned. That doesn't mean most small businesses in the country are minority owned.

Hell go burn some police cars and burn city hall if you're so mad at cops and politicans and I really wouldn't care all that much. But killing people,injuring people ,destroying small businesses is moronic behavior- and most of it is being done by people who could give 2 shits about Floyd. That anyone defends it is truly amazing.

holy **** how are you this dense? this is an absolutely amazing self own. bahbah level for sure.

I think the majority of Americans are against riots. If local police can't handle it, I think the majority of Americans are okay with the military taking over.

I'm quite worried about how things will play out in NYC the next few nights. De Blasio is getting pressure from Cuomo to get tougher. (As I said many times in the COVID discussions, people who claim to love Cuomo don't really know him. He's a bully and an authoritarian dickhead at heart.) De Blasio's response was to move the curfew from 11 pm to 8 pm and extend the curfew to Sunday. The question is what to tell the police to do when, inevitably, people ignore the curfew as they did last night. If the police make no attempt to enforce the curfew (which is what I expect will happen for at least one more night), it will further the impression that de Blasio has lost control of the situation. Eventually, de Blasio or Cuomo may feel pressure to direct the NYPD to enforce the curfew more aggressively. If that happens, I worry that things will escalate quickly. Also, it seems idiotic for police resources to be diverted to arresting peaceful protesters who break curfew. Police resources are better allocated to preventing uncontrolled looting and vandalism.

If the majority of Americans would be OK with the military taking over for any reason, that would be very dismaying.

oh the ironing

So what's your reaction to that cartoon from the 1960's? I expect you agree with me that the concerns over looting were being used in bad faith as a cudgel to stop people like MLK. It's not an argument that deserves to be taken seriously.

Likewise, when I see the usual Trump fanboys hand-wringing over damaged property as the cops are beating the **** out of people, I don't feel obligated to play along with this bullshit. Black lives matter. Property lives, not so much.

truly a shithole country

#deathToAmerica

Moving the curfew means absolutely nothing and Deblasio knows it.
He's completely handcuffed the NYPD and the more they let people get away with looting and rioting the worse things are going to get.

bruh

No, I think they would just be okay with it if the situation was to the point local police couldn't control it.

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Let's say they were used in bad faith.
Why do you keep insisting that means all other arguments ever against looting and rioting are in bad faith?
They're not.

Why do black lives only matter when police end them?
Why don't lives matter when they're ended in these riots?
Why are you pretending it's just some autozones being burned?
Why are you pretending when small businesses are destroyed it's just some stuff being ruined?

Autozone is based out of Memphis. They have over 6,000 stores between the US, Mexico, and Brazil. They do around 11 billion in revenue which generates around 1 billion in profit--which seems high for retail. **** them.
O'Reilly is even worse. They are generating almost 2 billion in profit on only 10 billion in revenue.

I mostly agree with you. I think there was a desire by racists at the time to delegitimize the protesters and their causes by stigmatizing them as criminals. In other words, they wanted to blur the lines between civil disobedience and random criminality to further their own racist objectives. As I'm sure you realize, that is not what I am doing. Based on what I have seen in New York, I think the overwhelming amount of the vandalism and looting is being carried out by a small group of people who are only marginally interested in, or not at all interested in, the actual cause.

As for the Trump fanboys, their motives may well be as bad as you suspect.

As a small government conservative I believe that the violent and criminal actions of state officials are of a different magnitude than the criminal actions of private citizens.

I understand that you, as a big government supporter, don't feel the same way