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05-30-2020 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
That is a BS attitude.
It's a realist attitude.

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Policing in America needs to be addressed and changed.
There's the rub. This murderer, is a murderer, and it's not a result of bad policing, it was the result of bad intentions. Your extrapolating this murderers bad intentions on all of the police.

You want to get less bad cops, sure, do I. The policing isn't the issue in this case, it's the bad intentions, whatever they were.
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05-30-2020 , 01:16 PM
We soar past 1 in ten million just using the number of black people killed by police that made the national news since 2014.
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05-30-2020 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
It's a realist attitude.



There's the rub. This murderer, is a murderer, and it's not a result of bad policing, it was the result of bad intentions. Your extrapolating this murderers bad intentions on all of the police.

You want to get less bad cops, sure, do I. The policing isn't the issue in this case, it's the bad intentions, whatever they were.
Once more, for you:

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if 3 cops kneel on a guy and kill him, and 20 of them guard the neck kneeler's house, and 1000 don't do anything, you got 1023 bad cops.
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05-30-2020 , 01:18 PM
None of your rationalizations for the violence that has occured makes sense.
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05-30-2020 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
It's a realist attitude.



There's the rub. This murderer, is a murderer, and it's not a result of bad policing, it was the result of bad intentions. Your extrapolating this murderers bad intentions on all of the police.

You want to get less bad cops, sure, do I. The policing isn't the issue in this case, it's the bad intentions, whatever they were.
Cops in general have terrible attitudes. There is no reason for it.
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05-30-2020 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The alleged murder occurred on Monday, and the suspect was arrested on Friday. What are we angry about? Cops commit murder far less frequently than the general population. This cop committed a murder and was arrested. What's not working? You won't stop murder. What should I be concerned about? That a murder occured? I'd be concerned if he was not arrested, but again, you won't stop murder, even from cops from time to time.
This particular murder was different though. The fact that 3 other officers allowed an innocent man to be murdered in front of their eyes points to a systemic problem. This wasn't just one rogue cop. Any one of them could easily have stopped it. They chose not to. That is the most disturbing aspect of what was an already disturbing cold-blooded execution of an innocent man imo.

There is something systemically wrong here that needs to be addressed at all levels.
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05-30-2020 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
We soar past 1 in ten million just using the number of black people killed by police that made the national news since 2014.
I thought you were supposed to be data scientist. Replace black with poor, and maybe you can make a point.
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05-30-2020 , 01:24 PM
“Vote Blue if you want this to change!!

MN: Democratic Governor

Minneapolis: Democratic Mayor, City Council is 12-1 Democratic. The 1 is a Green.
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05-30-2020 , 01:26 PM
Vegas you're not supposed to understand. You're not supposed to understand why people are angry, upset and beyond annoyed. The disproportionate response by protesters to one murder is not yours to grasp. You know, kind of like the disproportionate response by the officer who killed floyd.
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05-30-2020 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I thought you were supposed to be data scientist. Replace black with poor, and maybe you can make a point.
That doesn't make a like of sense. You said:

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I have no respect for their cause, espeically when 99.99999% of them (protestors/rioters) will never be harmed by a police officer in their lifetime.
1. Tons of those people out protesting have already been harmed by police in their lifetimes.
2. Tons of those people out protesting were harmed by police last night.
3. Even black people above the poverty line are getting killed, not just harmed, at a rate higher than one in ten million.
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05-30-2020 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
“Vote Blue if you want this to change!!

MN: Democratic Governor

Minneapolis: Democratic Mayor, City Council is 12-1 Democratic. The 1 is a Green.
What is the Republican plan for policing?
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05-30-2020 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
This particular murder was different though. The fact that 3 other officers allowed an innocent man to be murdered in front of their eyes points to a systemic problem. This wasn't just one rogue cop. They could easily have stopped it. They chose not to. That is the most disturbing aspect of what was an already disturbing cold-blooded execution of an innocent man imo.

There is something systematically wrong here that needs to be addressed at all levels.
You are dealing with human psychology that's not easy to predict, or deal with. Just like MrWookie never never banned FlyFW. The only option to avoid it is not to have the groups. It's a human issue, not a racial, not systematic, but human.

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Researchers find that being in a group makes some people lose touch with their personal moral beliefs. When people get together in groups, unusual things can happen -- both good and bad. Groups create important social institutions that an individual could not achieve alone, but there can be a darker side to such alliances: Belonging to a group makes people more likely to harm others outside the group.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0612104950.htm
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05-30-2020 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Just the police. The police and the government have become an enemy of the American people. It's stupid to burn down innocent private businesses. I don't understand what these people have against CNN and all the other businesses that have suffered property damage.

The government is the enemy.
Unfortunately when property destruction starts it feeds on itself and grows. That is why if alone or part of a conspiracy a Minnesota Police officer goes out to a protest and starts destroying property it can really help kick things off and change the narrative.

People need to remember this about black people being killed by police. The police don’t like that narrative so they actually go out and try to get people to destroy property so the narrative can change.

People need to stop being so easily misdirected.

Let’s start the negotiations. The protestors agree not to break windows if the police stop murdering black people.

That is the argument boiled down to its essence. All these cries of civility and the rest are smokescreens. Civil protests about cops murdering black people not only have been ignored, they have been incessantly mocked.

For those of you still laid out on your feinting couch, instead of decrying looting and “violence” don’t accomplish anything instead why don’t you strongly and ferociously come out against police murdering black people? And I am not talking about the lip service and head pat the issue has received forever. I am talking about exclaiming that when the murdering of blacks by police stop, then we can address breaking windows.
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05-30-2020 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
That doesn't make a like of sense.
Because your brain prejudicially assumed all protestors are black, and as always with people who do that, they extrapolate that prejudice to really bizzare conclusions (as is your straw man). To you protestor=black. To me, protestor is not indicative of race.
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05-30-2020 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
No it isn’t cool. People that live in those neighborhoods will be very negatively affected going forward.
Which makes it even more imperative that we all join in a united voice and demand police stop murdering black people.

Seems insane to focus on insurance claims before we tackle that much more substantial and important issue.
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05-30-2020 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
This particular murder was different though. The fact that 3 other officers allowed an innocent man to be murdered in front of their eyes points to a systemic problem. This wasn't just one rogue cop. Any one of them could easily have stopped it. They chose not to. That is the most disturbing aspect of what was an already disturbing cold-blooded execution of an innocent man imo.

There is something systemically wrong here that needs to be addressed at all levels.
How are these people trained that they don't stop this? I mean if they just saw him murder or rape someone, I could at least understand but still not excuse their behavior.
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05-30-2020 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You are dealing with human psychology that's not easy to predict, or deal with. Just like MrWookie never never banned FlyFW. The only option to avoid it is not to have the groups. It's a human issue, not a racial, not systematic, but human.
A lie. I banned Fly numerous times.
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05-30-2020 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
its pretty much the only chance to change this hellhole country. if the people in power dont like this sort of stuff then maybe they will do something to fix it. doubtful. they proly love this bc then they can crack down more. but this has a better chance to work than NFL players taking a knee.
I don’t necessarily subscribe to your burn it all down philosophy on all issues but I do agree here.

We have seen this same pattern of feigned outrage, followed by a head pat, followed by dismissal.

Seems looney tunes to be more worried about windows being broken than people being murdered. If we have to endure the former until we really address the later, so be it. But the issue has been pushed aside too many times for it to be so again.
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05-30-2020 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
A lie. I banned Fly numerous times.
I'm sorry, perma-banned.
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05-30-2020 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
I don’t necessarily subscribe to your burn it all down philosophy on all issues but I do agree here.

We have seen this same pattern of feigned outrage, followed by a head pat, followed by dismissal.

Seems looney tunes to be more worried about windows being broken than people being murdered. If we have to endure the former until we really address the later, so be it. But the issue has been pushed aside too many times for it to be so again.

It has not been pushed aside, though. The murder was a national news story. The murderer was arrested. This idea that no one cares, or society is indifferent, is preposterous.
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05-30-2020 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Because your brain prejudicially assumed all protestors are black, and as always with people who do that, they extrapolate that prejudice to really bizzare conclusions (as is your straw man). To you protestor=black. To me, protestor is not indicative of race.
Ignorance is not a virtue. I know that tons of protesters are black because I can see them, and known organizers are black, and it is a subject near and dear to black people. White people are there too, which is good, but this is a black issue. Pretending that this is behind some veil of ignorance is just you being stupid.
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05-30-2020 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Ignorance is not a virtue. I know that tons of protesters are black because I can see them, and known organizers are black, and it is a subject near and dear to black people. White people are there too, which is good, but this is a black issue. Pretending that this is behind some veil of ignorance is just you being stupid.
Whatever....I made a statement about protestors, that you bizarrely made into one about black people, or more apt, black men. I don't care what your reasoning is for doing that.
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05-30-2020 , 01:43 PM
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Whatever....I made a statement about protestors, that you bizarrely made into one about black people, or more apt, black men.
Yeah, these protestors are overwhelmingly black. I didn't talk about black people when we were talking about the nutty open up protestors in Michigan, because they were not.
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05-30-2020 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Easy for someone to say who actually doesn’t live in the neighborhoods that are impacted. But wait, now we’re going to see all kinds of new investment in property and businesses in those areas. It will open up all kinds of investments in those communities the will help the people that live there economically. In short businesses will flock to those neighborhoods. We’re going to see insurers hold the line and not raising insurance rates. We’re going to see the police make extraordinary efforts to keep people in those communities safer. John Q Citizen will see that yes rioters and looters burning down buildings and stealing as just good folks making a political statement. Then the police will weed out the bad cops and everything thing will be wonderful and we’ll be much happier. You see actually seeking justice in the legal system where the facts of the case are determined and a jury of the defendents peers determine guilt or innocence as well as seeking damages for wrongful death is so much worse than having mobs rule the day.

#youareinsane
I guess you subscribe to the theory on if you are getting raped then you may as well sit back and take it and not fight back at all.
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05-30-2020 , 01:46 PM
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Yeah, these protestors are overwhelmingly black. I didn't talk about black people when we were talking about the nutty open up protestors in Michigan, because they were not.
Are they overwhelmingly men?

You linked a study about black men (an exclusive term) to disprove my statement about protestors (which is an inclusive term). Except, the protestors are not just black men. You got caught being you, again. And you tried to drive it home, repeatedly.
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