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05-30-2020 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Andro
Let's see an independent autopsy.
They've found just the man for the job

The family of George Floyd, the Minneapolis man who died shortly after he was arrested by police officers on suspicion of passing a counterfeit $20 bill, has retained prominent forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden to perform an independent autopsy.

Baden, a former New York City chief medical examiner, confirmed to Fox News Friday that the Floyd family had asked him to perform the autopsy and said he would travel to Minneapolis Saturday. Baden added that he would discuss his findings early next week.
Anyone who participated in the Epstein thread knows my thoughts on Baden. The guy is a total fraudster. And out of all the pathologists in the world, they've found him for this case.
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05-30-2020 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
No it isn’t cool. People that live in those neighborhoods will be very negatively affected going forward.
its pretty much the only chance to change this hellhole country. if the people in power dont like this sort of stuff then maybe they will do something to fix it. doubtful. they proly love this bc then they can crack down more. but this has a better chance to work than NFL players taking a knee.
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05-30-2020 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
its pretty much the only chance to change this hellhole country. if the people in power dont like this sort of stuff then maybe they will do something to fix it. doubtful. they proly love this bc then they can crack down more. but this has a better chance to work than NFL players taking a knee.
Victor is correct. Burn it all down. What's the worst that can happen? We'll be able to provide jobs for people rebuilding.
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05-30-2020 , 09:06 AM
That autopsy report is probably technically correct but obv misleading. He prob died from carbon monoxide poisoning by not being able to fully expand his chest. The police report does state that police are trained to know the position he was held in is inherently dangerous for that reason.

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05-30-2020 , 09:27 AM
If there's complaint about Antifa black bloc types I that they seem much more likely to indiscriminately break things more than regularly protestors
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05-30-2020 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
If there's complaint about Antifa black bloc types I that they seem much more likely to indiscriminately break things more than regularly protestors

I thought this was interesting. Pallet of bricks just left on the street? Makes sense.
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05-30-2020 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
its pretty much the only chance to change this hellhole country. if the people in power dont like this sort of stuff then maybe they will do something to fix it. doubtful. they proly love this bc then they can crack down more. but this has a better chance to work than NFL players taking a knee.
Easy for someone to say who actually doesn’t live in the neighborhoods that are impacted. But wait, now we’re going to see all kinds of new investment in property and businesses in those areas. It will open up all kinds of investments in those communities the will help the people that live there economically. In short businesses will flock to those neighborhoods. We’re going to see insurers hold the line and not raising insurance rates. We’re going to see the police make extraordinary efforts to keep people in those communities safer. John Q Citizen will see that yes rioters and looters burning down buildings and stealing as just good folks making a political statement. Then the police will weed out the bad cops and everything thing will be wonderful and we’ll be much happier. You see actually seeking justice in the legal system where the facts of the case are determined and a jury of the defendents peers determine guilt or innocence as well as seeking damages for wrongful death is so much worse than having mobs rule the day.

#youareinsane
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05-30-2020 , 10:02 AM
Nah. In short the State's gotta learn what will happen when you **** around
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05-30-2020 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Easy for someone to say who actually doesn’t live in the neighborhoods that are impacted.
Assuming you are a white American the lack of self-awareness it takes to make this statement is astounding. Yes it probably sucks for some people in the neighbourhood but it sucks a lot more to face years of systematic discrimination and fear of being killed all while seeing attempt after attempt at peaceful protests be completely ignored. It's easy for you to condemn the protests when you aren't personally affected in any way by the things being protested against.

Last edited by Willd; 05-30-2020 at 10:43 AM. Reason: Fix grammar
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05-30-2020 , 10:26 AM
Gotta indoctrinate early.

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05-30-2020 , 10:29 AM
What's scary is the inability to understand how human beings function

If you shoot looters, you're going to get more looters. Either now or in the future...

It has nothing to do with right and wrong. That sense is instilled with indoctrination and an environment to reinforce the behavior that can properly determine it and act accordingly

We made the looters. We funneled people into enclaves for which half the people who live in them will never escape. We have laws designed to keep them there and a populace that largely doesn't care, so long as the riff raff stays off our lawn

If you want less looters, then have less indifference. Trump wants to shoot them. Jesus Christ...Here is a hint: People who have food, shelter, discretionary money, and a life worth living don't steal TVs from Target. You would think the purveyors of economic fortitude would understand that, but here we are with level zero thinking under the guise of self proclaimed genius and stability
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05-30-2020 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist
I'm sorry you have to suffer the tyranny of living in the land of the free. Maybe try Greenland?
You sound like a parrot. Just spewing memorized lines with your bird brain. You realize that phrase uses to mean something, but it's 2020, and only getting worse from here
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05-30-2020 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I thought this was interesting. Pallet of bricks just left on the street? Makes sense.
How convinient
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05-30-2020 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
Gotta indoctrinate early.

This is real?
Probably not "for real". It's just 4 kids. Not exactly a militia, and definitely not "Atlanta" doing it.

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05-30-2020 , 10:56 AM
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This is real?
I was watching all the protests/riots last night on CNN and at one point during the White House protests when they had brought out the shields after the guard rails kept getting taken away, I noticed there was actually an area of police where it was mostly small women police officers, and I swear it appeared the protesters were leaving that area alone.

I think it might actually be a real thing that if you send out the smallest police officer women you can find to put on the front lines it might actually defuse the protests/riots, because most men are (naturally?) so resistant to getting physical with small women.
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05-30-2020 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Never heard of 3rd degree murder before. Minnesota is one of only 3 states to have a 3rd degree murder charge.

"Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years."

Seems right imo. [x] causes death, [x] eminently dangerous, [x] depraved mind, [ ] REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE
FYP.
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05-30-2020 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
What's scary is the inability to understand how human beings function

If you shoot looters, you're going to get more looters. Either now or in the future...

It has nothing to do with right and wrong. That sense is instilled with indoctrination and an environment to reinforce the behavior that can properly determine it and act accordingly

We made the looters. We funneled people into enclaves for which half the people who live in them will never escape. We have laws designed to keep them there and a populace that largely doesn't care, so long as the riff raff stays off our lawn

If you want less looters, then have less indifference. Trump wants to shoot them. Jesus Christ...Here is a hint: People who have food, shelter, discretionary money, and a life worth living don't steal TVs from Target. You would think the purveyors of economic fortitude would understand that, but here we are with level zero thinking under the guise of self proclaimed genius and stability
You’re trying to explain this to the same people that don’t understand that bombing the **** out of some middle eastern country creates more hatred and terrorism. These people really think that places hate us because “we’re free”. They hate us because we killed the family or their ancestors or destroyed their homeland for some resources...
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05-30-2020 , 11:46 AM
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/0...se-rarely-used
https://www.startribune.com/legal-de...oor/509512562/

Old articles on definition of "depraved mind" in the 3rd degree murder statute. The statute that convicted Noor.

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05-30-2020 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TeflonDawg
If you want less looters, then have less indifference.
How many murders were perpetrated by police in MN in the last five years? People are raging over something that rarely happens, and they are blaming all police in all parts of the country for this cops actions. I'm sorry, know this is not popular here, but you don't get any sympathy from me for acting like a criminal when something bad happens. You can call that indifference, but when people behave this way, I have no respect for their cause, espeically when 99.99999% of them (protestors/rioters) will never be harmed by a police officer in their lifetime.

Like, how much concern are we supposed to have, really?

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 05-30-2020 at 12:03 PM.
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05-30-2020 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
How many murders were perpetrated by police in MN in the last five years? People are raging over something that rarely happens. I'm sorry, know this is not popular, you don't get any sympathy from me for acting like a criminal when something bad happens. You can call that indifference, but when people behave this way, I have no respect for their cause, espeically when 99.99999% of them will never be harmed by a police officer in their lifetime.
If George Floyd survived, it would still be injustice.

Also, you're a few orders of magnitude off:

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A new study finds that about 1 in 1,000 black men and boys can expect to die as a result of police violence over the course of their lives
https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...-for-black-men

And if you think that the one in a thousand rate is reflective of the percentage of total harm, lol.
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05-30-2020 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
You sound like a parrot. Just spewing memorized lines with your bird brain. You realize that phrase uses to mean something, but it's 2020, and only getting worse from here
I lol'd. I also want to use it every 3rd or 4th post itt.
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05-30-2020 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
If George Floyd survived, it would still be injustice.

Also, you're a few orders of magnitude off:



https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...-for-black-men

And if you think that the one in a thousand rate is reflective of the percentage of total harm, lol.
That's uninteresting, here is the actual study.


How much you want to bet that being poor and dying by police is more prevalent than being black and dying by police? As always in those kind of papers, it does not account for any variable other than race. It does not even come close to describing the mortality rate for black men encountering the police, because you assuming (and they want you to assume) race was a causative factor in all of them.

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05-30-2020 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
I was watching all the protests/riots last night on CNN and at one point during the White House protests when they had brought out the shields after the guard rails kept getting taken away, I noticed there was actually an area of police where it was mostly small women police officers, and I swear it appeared the protesters were leaving that area alone.

I think it might actually be a real thing that if you send out the smallest police officer women you can find to put on the front lines it might actually defuse the protests/riots, because most men are (naturally?) so resistant to getting physical with small women.
also a line of black officers and a line of adorable police dogs
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05-30-2020 , 12:26 PM
The american left/right dichotomy is so strange to see during incidents like these. You have the left wing, who are the party of feelings, governed by the rules, and you have the right wing, the party of rules, governed by their feelings. It's truly bizarre to see playing out.
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05-30-2020 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
How many murders were perpetrated by police in MN in the last five years? People are raging over something that rarely happens, and they are blaming all police in all parts of the country for this cops actions. I'm sorry, know this is not popular here, but you don't get any sympathy from me for acting like a criminal when something bad happens. You can call that indifference, but when people behave this way, I have no respect for their cause, espeically when 99.99999% of them (protestors/rioters) will never be harmed by a police officer in their lifetime.

Like, how much concern are we supposed to have, really?
Fair enough but lets be clear, these people are not getting sympathy from you or Trump of his ilk even when they protest peacefully and quietly.


Trump and the monied elite have made it clear that if you protest peacefully and quietly we will ruin you. We will get you fired and deprive you of making a living.

So don't protest peacefully and quietly.

Don;t protest violently.

Just shut up because to be honest "you don't get any sympathy from us."

We simply are not going to stand for you people getting uppity. Know your place and shut up and take it. It is not going to change and we don't care if you like it.


There is no hyperbole in the above. Not a word. That is literally the message being delivered every day and it begs the question why should the protesters GAF what you think or care about?
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