You're still focusing on the high profile deaths. The iceberg continues with it's day to day pressure

There is no expectation - it's just the explosion of anger. It might help lead to positive change or even negative change but that change has to be political.

Could be provocateurs. Or could be any number of 20 somethings I know/knew.

It's interesting you only respond to me when I'm pointing out issues with MrWookies argument.

From MrWookies study:


It's common knowledge for anyone who cares about this issue. It's amazing to me the amount of people who feign concern are always oblivious to these facts.

Ruh-roh.

I generally am most likely to reply when people make apparently factual statements that are completely inaccurate, it is by no means specific to you. Also my reply wasn't even from anything you were saying to Wookie, it was from a reply to chez.

Sure that study suggests the proportion has shifted somewhat over the last couple of decades but that is very different to your claim that "trends of black people being killed by police is decreasing, and the trends for white people being killed by police is increasing". That claim is simply untrue for the period where fatal shootings by police have been consistently and accurately reported.

https://www.newsweek.com/kellie-chau...lawyer-1507581
I'm not too interested in tracking down the gay porn angle, but newsweek confirms that's his wife.
I do think the picture is starting to emerge here (Michael Baden's involvement always helps). And it isn't pretty but not surprising.

Could by a lot of different things. Literally everything is on the table. But traveling to NYC planning to mass murder police officers in the midst of chaos caused by social unrest is some serious ****.

Extremely interested what is going on here.

I didn't pay enough attention to the full story. I read they were from upstate NY but didn't realize they had traveled to NYC with that intention.

Look at this lying mother****er flagrantly try to pass off an increasing share as increasing numbers.

If you take the entire pool of people being killed by police, the rate of white people being killed is increasing, while the rate of black people being killed is decreasing. In other words, there is some equilibrium where the number of people being killed is somewhat set, irrespective of race, but just the normal course of human behavior. And yes, white people are gaining share, while black people are losing share. There is nothing inaccurate about my statement. A greater percentage of white people are being killed, and a lesser percentage of black people are being killed.

EDIT: and knowing you, I don't think there would be anyway I could have worded it, and you not disputing that fact.

Well the George Floyd porn connection looks legit but I'm having trouble finding anything that connects Chauvin to the business.

Yes, the percentage of white people being killed by police increased, and black people decreased. You folks are getting awfully pedantic and banal, as always.

The Untied States of America...

Land of the greed, home of the slaves.

MLK once said a riot is the language of the unheard. What he did not say is that violence and abdication of personal responsibility is acceptable behavior.

Do you understand that?

For whatever reason, right or wrong, this is society lashing out at itself. It really doesn't matter if you or I think it's okay or not. It's happening. It consistently happens, as a matter of fact. It is the outcome of years, decades, centuries of policy. We created this outcome. A conglomeration of events in short succession lit the powder keg and Floyd's death made it explode.

We understand that looting and destruction of property is wrong. What you don't understand is that this is a consequence of way more than just some moron oblivious to property rights and indifferent to the abdication of personal responsibility.

Moreover, it is at a point where many are making the argument that all the absolutely depressing, harrowing, blood curdling chaos is indeed justified. Again, it does not matter if you or I think it's okay or not. It's happening. It consistently happens, as a matter of fact. It is a sign of the times and a culmination of past leading to the current state of affairs.

I'm not demanding you do, say, or think anything. I'm saying this is what it is and Trump's attitude among others is absolutely, positively not going to help the situation. It's going to make it worse. Because again, the mentality is all wrong. Theory and practice are strangers in the worst way sometimes...

It is so, so depressing. I'm an agnostic and I'm praying for a vaccine. The US is not built to function through a virus like COVID

There is no easy solution. It's arguable there is no solution, as I think shuffle alluded to by referencing Cornell West. USA being a failed experiment and all. I refuse to believe that, though I concede it's entirely possible and we are not entitled to life making sense or being just.

I just think people have a mentality that is all wrong in certain respects. Being okay with Trump effectively saying it's okay to shoot looters implies an indifference to loss of life. Be less indifferent. Do not be okay with what Trump said. That would be a nice start...

Even if one were devoid of empathy, there is still the argument that appeasing the masses to at least a minimum satisfaction is vital to stability. One might think, wtf, I pay enough taxes, etc, well, guess what? Maybe you don't. I'm not saying that's the case. I'm saying that it's possible that is the case and your choice is to deal with that or deal with riots. That is your choice here in the land of the free

Is that how you explain/rationalize charlottesville? It's not how I explain it.

No, that's literally impossible. Just look at it

If I sell 1000 widgets one day, then sell 700 the next day. I sell 700 of them to black people the first day, then only 350 to them the next day, the rate I sell to black people has decreased, and the rate I sell to white people increased, despite the overall number decreasing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVDGmjz7eM

If you had actually mentioned that the trend shift you were talking about was as a proportion then that would be justified by what you pointed out in the study. However even then, data on police homicides are notoriously sketchy prior to ~2014 and looking at the numbers since 2015 the trend seems to have halted and possibly even reversed in the past 5 years.

Edit:
The numbers I posted aren't even close to resembling this analogy. It's pretty much the exact opposite - since 2015 the total number of shootings has decreased slightly but the number of black people being shot has remained roughly constant.

What, your own freaking numbers demonstrate it?


2018 (34% was white)
2019 (38% was white)

I have no idea what numbers you're talking about because nothing I've posted is even close to that. Apart from anything else I'd have thought that that given you're so fond of pointing out that in terms of the raw totals white deaths are higher than black you'd realise that a claim of less than 50% being white doesn't make any sense. Are you just reading them backwards?

2018 451 229 = 680
2019 370 235 = 605

What percentage of those numbers were white/black in 2018 (34% white)/2019, and what percentage were they in 2018 (38% white). Is the black percentage of deaths lower in 2019 than 2018 (yes), and is the white percentage of deaths higher in 2019 than 2018 (yes)?

Well in 2018 there were 229/680 black people fatally shot by police, so 33.7%. In 2019 there were 235/605 black, so 38.8%. Maybe you know of a different system of mathematics to me but I think it would generally be considered that going from 34% to 39% is an increase.

Edit: Having calculated the percentages it would appear that yes, you are consistently managing to read the numbers backwards despite that making no sense given you very clearly know that the raw total of white deaths would be higher...

its a QANON account so yeah