How would you know that, if it was being ignored?

i feel like you guys are trying that as some sort of gotcha, but its fairly obvious in the videos that a lot of the destruction and the looting has nothing to do with the protesters.

a video circled through recently of 7-10 people smashing windows, all upper middle class looking white people based on their clothes and riot gear, while the blm organizers tried to get them to stop..

Antifa.

proud boys.

Unfortunately, it's in the nature of riots that black people tend to riot in black areas (American cities being highly segregated), so they destroy black people's businesses. This is tragic, but, for white racists, it's a considerable pay-off of keeping Them in Their own areas.

Who are the you guys who are arguing otherwise? I'm confused.

Neither of those are addressing the constant drip drip of racism by the police/etc. They need a serious political outlet that really changes things or the constant push push will eventually result in an explosive reaction.

I am on your side. Clearly the disenfranchised brown and black people of Minn haven't been pushed to violent protest. They are just being framed by white agitators with ulterior motives. The people of Minn realize Chauvin was just a rogue actor and the matter has been handled.

Time to move on and heal.

Some people, and not a few, probably do in fact want that, which is why American police forces operate on a paramilitary basis as the descendants of the 'slave patrols' at the time of independence.

So, all the white people killed by police (actually much more people overall) collateral damage in the police quest to kill blacks? Did they just get in the way of the bullets meant for blacks?

Can you make a narrative that makes sense holistically? Or only by cherrypicking data and anecdotal stories?

And this time it's not even locals doing the damage, mainly opportunists being useful idiots enabling the consolidation of capital

Don't you think it's a little early for that when all the buildings are still standing?

They can be easily torn down later. The important thing is that the local (mostly black) owners of the businesses are forced to close down shop to make the way for corporate interests.

That does not make sense. You all hate it, but there are not riots for the death and destruction in Chicago. What's interesting is, many here have made claims about people not caring about the death of Floyd, but they really don't care about his death either, they care about the racism. I think it's honest of you to assert it's the racism they care about, not the death, or bad policing.

If they cared about bad policing or death, they would talk about it whenever occured, not just when a black person is killed. It's the only time it's talked about, though. Which, obviously, rings hollow.

Again, the trends of black people being killed by police is decreasing, and the trends for white people being killed by police is increasing. Same with incarceration rates. This seems to correlate with the idea that whatever motive being used is arbitrary, and malleable, and ultimately comes down to bad people doing bad things. In other words, even if race was this huge factor, if you removed it, you will still have police activity disproportionately targeting some demographic, and I would bet everything in my bank account that demographic will strongly correlate with a poor economic standing.

i talk about bad policing constantly does that qualify me to have an opinion on this? some of the dumbest most piece of **** people i ever worked with were police. i mean they literally try to avoid hiring people with above average IQs..

Well, if you had a high IQ, would you be a police officer, a soldier, a firefighter?

We always focus on deaths but it's often the tip of the iceberg. It's the iceberg that results in the bulk of the damage. Overwhelming majority of police racism doesn't result in death but it's building up the explosive pressure. It's then commonly some particular incident like a murder that tips it over.

and it's not just the police. The whole of the justice system and much else is part of that iceberg.

In fairness police do have their uses. Someone has to provide the muscle to allow lawyers to steal so much money from the middle and lower classes and redistribute to themselves and their banker clients.

Of course not.

Lawyer or banker definitely way to go. IT, Insurance or pharma a couple other good options (looks like we actually have a decent % of the 2+2 politics forum elites covered)

Would you rather be the guy risking your life to protect someone else’s money, or the guy with the money?

Pretty easy choice if you ask me.

If you are correct and from what I have read other accounts that agree, the mayor is pond scum for letting/enabling outsiders come into his city and destroy his cities vulnerable and disadvantaged neighborhoods.

So the real problem is the police weren’t heavy handed enough?

I get that, but it's a false narrative that these folks think is true. Everytime one of these things happen, it gets national news attention, and is investigated extensively. The guy was charged with murder, it got national news attention that heavily focused on racial grievances. There is no catharsis that's ever good enough, except unmitigated rage.

I'm still trying to grasp what the expectation is. You will never have a police force that does not commit illegal acts. Knowing that, maybe elect leaders who are not pro-police unions., or who will take a more proactive approach to dealing with police who commit illegal acts....the issue is, the people support police, and their unions.

It's like throwing a temper tantrum because you did not get what you want, even though you made no effort to get it for yourself.

Why isn't the mayor being held accountable? You know what he's being held to task for, not quelling the riots, rather than not dealing with an purportedly out-of-control police force.

You don't change the police by protesting the police, you do it with civilian oversight of the police, which is our political leaders. They should be facing the heat. You can talk about Trump all you want, but national figures have very little to do with local law enforcement.

It's strange, you have all these racist working for liberal metropolitan mayors....I'm not saying it'd be better with conservatives, but you have to look at the people we are electing to run our cities, but they are protesting the police. In the Navy, if a captain of a ship runs into something, they are relieved of duty, irrelevant whether it was a pure unavoidable accident. There is zero tolerance, and that leader is accountable for the actions of every sailor on his ship.

You say this a bunch but I have no idea why you think it is the case. The number of people shot dead by police in the last 5 years (source):

Year	White	Black
2015	497	258
2016	465	234
2017	459	223
2018	451	229
2019	370	235

The trend is clearly downwards for white people and while it's better than 2015 for black people it has actually slightly increased each of the last three years.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-NYPD-car.html

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