You have it all wrong. In the minds of OG_Marx and friends, it is only cool when Jews are murdered.

One indeed could argue that. Both sides have committed innumerable atrocities upon the other over the last couple thousand years. But Israel is a state that exists right now and is committing state-wide genocide and numerous war crimes right now, and as such, should be the main focus. We can't change anything that happened during The Crusades or whatever.

The West (and probably Israel too for that matter) doesn't have the will/stomach to actually do take the fight out of the Palestinians. So they are going to keep fighting whoever takes charge, which is going to mean casualties. I dont think anyone else has the will to fill this vacuum and do what it takes to pacify the Palestinians and take casualties along the way.

Also, lets keep in mind unlike your favored theocracies and dictatorships, Israel is actually a Democracy. And Netanyahu is very unpopular, old and has legal issues similar to Trump. So sooner probably than later a new govt is going to take charge, and they can change the policy towards Hamas and Gaza. But the problems I laid out still remain, in that no one else will have the stomach to fill the vacuum.

not gonna say that some 20 year old raver deserves payback, or is playing stupid games, or should understand how effed up Israelis society is.

but the atrocities committed by Hamas, or affiliated groups, is negligible in comparison to the death and oppression that Israel commits and has committed for decades.

Glad to know I stayed inside your head these past couple of weeks. I am not surprised to find that you're still a bloodthirsty Zionist who is incapable of discussing any issue at any depth.

My response to Dunyain's post directly refutes your contention that I think it's "only cool when Jews are murdered." I expect an apology!

Nah. This is just you taking a side. My argument is equally valid if you want to go there. But you dont like it because it doesn't match your preferred narrative. People are going to believe what they want to believe once their lizard brain takes over, but rationally the whole oppressor/oppressed narrative the left has constructed around the Arab and Jewish world completely falls apart if you understand history and current events at all outside the narrow false history construct that left wing ideology has created.

And LOL the whole we cant worry about the past and have to move on argument; considering the whole basis for the Palestinian cause is futilely attempting to undo a war they lost 5 generations ago.

not comparable. one is like killing a pig with a bolt, the other one is like putting salsa entrenched gas on and lighting it up. aka sadistic.

You're a settler too you know?
all mean settlers. luckily the Indians have a brain and not Iran as a backer or they would do the same to you.

And that would be just as idiotic as thinking it's a good idea to build a country on top of almost a million people... and dead in the center of billions of your sworn enemies, yes?

why isnt it comparable?

the Indians would surely do the same but they lost. I would support them in 1800.

what if all of this is so the Iran can attack the US? maybe they have nukes dropping on tel av. soon?

yeah me too but if they had Iran as a backer they would still go at it.

Right. One half-hearted reply completely invalidates all your other posts. We all know what you think. You can create an account on Stormfront and you would fit right in.

why don't they arm up? that's all a lie btw. They have billions coming in regularely from all their backers.
each month hundreds of thousands for weapons. probably have nukes soon. what do you think all these things cost? they could have it all, iron dome, nukes, but that's not what they want. would make bad pr.

"And that would be just as idiotic as thinking it's a good idea to build a country on top of almost a million people... and dead in the center of billions of your sworn enemies, yes?"

-Jack, I have you on ignore but I saw this when my browser reloaded and it logged me out, so I will answer it.

I am not arguing Israel should have been created. It would have been awesome if the US and other Allies had accepted Jewish refugees before and during the early parts of WWII, instead of making the boats turn back for the Jewish people to be slaughtered. Then the Zionist movement maybe never gets enough momentum to be actualized, and history goes very differently. But that isn't what happened.

If we want to rewrite history, think of how awesome and potentially peaceful a place the Middle East could be if the advanced civilizations there weren't all conquered by the Muslims theocrats, and cast into tribal darkness (as theocracies tend to do).

But the Middle East was conquered and colonized by Muslim theocrats, Israel exists and we have to live in the real world as it is.

Edit: I know I am messing up the history a little bit. I know all the invasions from Central Asia greatly weakened the Middle Eastern civilizations, and the Arab Muslim colonizers were fortuitous to come along at exactly the right time. But still, it is sad to think of how prosperous, peaceful and advanced places like Iran, Egypt, Lebanon and Constantinople could be right now if this didn't happen.

this is how you know that they dont believe their own bullshit. anyone with 2 eyes sees how completely batshit and murderous Israel is. so he needs to resort to calling you anti-semitic. as if there is any other reason that someone would criticize the Israeli state, like maybe the 10s of thousands murdered and the blatant genocidal rhetoric and the apartheid. nope, gotta be anti-semitism.

After the Second World War, the Israeli state tried establishing itself in several places, including the United States! And some European countries/places - the Azores for example. All refuse

The Americans, the British, and the UN, together with the Jewish people, decided on the last alternative, the "holy land".

The Arabs who lived there (mostly farmers) had no choice.

It's amazing how many people don't know this.

I'm neutral on this issue but I stand by the facts and the truth

the IDF has claimed they have killed 60 key members of Hamas. out of the 10,000 people they've killed. 60.. 0.6% of the people they've killed have been targets.


that's if you even take them at the word on the 60, which seems dubious.

Ah yes, those classic Marxist Stormfronters.

Pretty warped mind to think "opposition to Israeli occupation and oppression" is the same as "I'm a Nazi and therefore I hate Jews!"

No. Your ideology is closer to Stormfront's than mine is. Your intense and irrational devotion to Israel is reminds me of another lovely group, American evangelicals.

Victor, I have to give you some credit, in that you at least try to pretend that you don't hate Jews. OGMarx and Jack are so blatant that is not even a question.

If you were to post about the murder of a 20 year old kid at a concert, you might say something along the lines of "it's a shame, but it is nothing compared to what Israel is doing." When your friends bring it up, they call it "payback" and ask for more of the same. You could probably build some credibility around here if you tried to distance yourselves from the dumber troll accounts that are apparently trying to get 2p2 onto the Southern Poverty Center's list of hate groups.

No sane person believes anything you say. Browsers don't reload and log you out any more than grainy photos and the word of idf terrorists prove a damn thing, but to clowns.

And you didn't even attempt to answer the question. It's because you can't.

Israel, just like the Palestinians, doesn´t want to compromise. I mean, if the palestinians just accepted they lost the war, they won´t ever be able to militarily win against Israel and take the whole land, so why not just finally surrender?

Then, Israel stop having settlers in occupied territory, and put those 1d1ots on this dumb settler movement thing (including the ones in the government) out, and fully allowing the palestinian state to exist?

I mean, I've never actually been on Stormfront. It sounds like DonkJr is more of an expert. Maybe he can let me know if Stormfront advocates for leftwing measures to address systemic wrongs like poverty and institutional racism. Or if they're interested in internationally wide measures to curtail climate change, eliminating wars of conquest, or any one of the dozens of my legit left-wing positions that I heretofore believed that Stormfront is existentially opposed to.

Nah, I guess the fantastical leap of, "you're an anti-Zionist, Stormfront is anti-Semitic, therefore YOU ARE STORMFRONT" negates the litany of policies that I favor and Nazis despise. You've nailed it yet again, Stupid Batman.

there is the faint possibility that not every dead hamas guy is classed as a key target by the idf

however, even with that in mind the idf ratio of targets/total deaths is way behind the hamas ratio of 100%

You are openly celebrating a photograph of a dead kid that was murdered because she was at an Israeli concert. You can pretend all day long that you don't hate Jews, but we all know exactly how you feel.

If you actually cared about the Jewish people, you would stop this charade that conflates us with the regime occupying Palestine!