outrage over me implying the state of israel has some pull with Hollywood, which they most likely don't but zero mentions of the actual question i asked about why is the Israel twitter account so obviously full of propaganda and fake information, not even its information they are retweeting, its information they are brandishing as truth and proofs

breaking news israel twitter is biased towards israel

now lets go live to a hamas guy insisting that oct 7 targets were limited to miliary personnel only

Nah there’s lots of anti Jewish sentiment going around right now. Alot of people are in this cause they hate Jews , not cause of Palestine.

I’ve posted pro Palestine stuff for years, nobody cares. But once people are able to openly be anti semitic, they hop right on the racist train. It is troubling for sure

its not the bias , which i understand , its the clear fake evidence they are presenting as truth.

this is not the jake shields or ben shapiro twitter account which are biased and rely on 2nd hand information .

its the government account, the official, state run, account of the government of Israel.

Most Palestinians are not hostile to Israel in any way that justifies killing them. Hamas is estimated at 30-40k militants. There’s 2 million people in Gaza and another 3 million in the West Bank. Israel is occupying the West Bank and encouraging settlers where there is no Hamas. That’s not compromise.

Thanks for the response. I’m not sure we have any evidence that how Israel has been doing this is how it needed to be done, that a less severe option wouldn’t have been as or more successful ultimately, even if it took longer. It’s also not clear to me that what’s been done has actually damaged Hamas’ ability to commit attacks in the future in a substantive way.

Humans willing to die for a cause are probably a terrorist organization’s greatest asset and I can’t imagine that Israel’s methods have reduced those numbers. At best they’re kicking the can down the road yet again. Some kids who have just been orphaned are more likely to grow up to be terrorists now. The only thing stopping those kids are possibly a change in Israeli policies and better border security or total genocide.

Israel wanted them to be recognized as a statel for years. The modern right wing government did not but for years they did

IDF has been doing that almost daily from 10AM-2PM for nearly a week. Apparently, no bugs.

I’m happy to see the US of all nations has made some effort to persuade the Israeli government that wanton killing is counterproductive for peace.

i think the southern US should do the same thing.

Don´t you think most of them (51%+) want the jews out and have the land for themselves? Palestinians had/have their own nationalistic agenda since even before 1948, that's more or less one of the reasons for the conflict. They have their populist politicians etc. Same as everywhere else in the world. No hate intended here but their religion (again, avg palestinian) doesn´t help that much.

Yes, and in a perfect world that will never exist unfortunately, those settlers should have been left to defend themselves (and very likely die), they are just dumb fanatics. It's a shame they will never really pay the price for what they are doing.

*Edit: I wasn´t talking about civilians getting killed by Israel, but about a final solution for the whole conflict.

cant you say the same of the other side of the coin?

its sad that this is where we are .

Find the hostages, flood the tunnels wall that **** off even more and leave them to themselves but any rocket fired gets 2 bombs. Let them figure the rest out

There's a gray line between what falls under combat and policing operations. So when they're saying Hamas is combat ineffective, that doesn't mean all Hamas along with their weapons are all gone and the area is safe and secure; more that IDF can move into policing mode. No doubt there are individual terrorists and small cells out there with access to weapons, but Hamas' ability to function as a military entity is effectively over, ie, cutting off the head of a snake.

Yeah, good point. Their West Bank model won't work in Palestine, not that it's working anyway. But if they really want peace, they'll need to show Palestinians they're better than Hamas and there's a future worth working together towards, especially so with the younger population who all they've known is Hamas.

Bad opinions alone don’t deserve this level of persecution and killing. They have to act on them violently first and only the people acting on them should be on the receiving end of extreme measures of justice.

It’s obviously okay to criticize hateful elements of religion and to the extent that anybody Muslim, Jewish, or otherwise use their religion to justify hatred and crimes, they should be criticized for that. Hamas and some portion of other Palestinians believe their religion justifies illegal and immoral things, as does the far-right in Israel like the Likud party and its supporters. Religion is pretty ****ing dumb.

In a perfect world, the Israeli government wouldn’t leave settlers to fend for themselves and possibly kill or be killed, they’d actively prevent and remove them. No one should have to die.

Then you'd get back into the whole business of work permits (Gazans allowed or not allowed to come into Israel every day) and a heavy embargo on supplies going in (and I'm not a Zionist but I think we know that Hamas prioritises covert supplies of military materiel far above food, medicine or any normal trading goods) and you'd be back to the whole argument about the 'blockade'. Given the mood the Israelis are understandably in, conditions would be even tighter than before -- unless a new administration in Gaza were to renounce that whole death-to-Israel thing, which is not likely considering what the Israelis are doing to them at the moment -- so things wouldn't move on much. To be fair, the Israelis did withdraw and leave Gaza to its own devices, and Gazans, instead of building up a nice little civil economy, elected the mad-dog batshit-crazy Hamas to run the place and invite destruction. It may be true that the Israeli warhawks and Hamas need each other and keep each other in business, but that doesn't excuse Hamas any more than it excuses the Israeli warhawks.

This is pretty much where I am. You obviously can be critical of the Israeli government without being antisemitic, but recent events have drawn out a lot of people with deep-seated prejudice against Jews or Muslims generally.

I cannot envision a scenario in the short-term that reallows Gazans to cross into Israel to work.

I cannot even imagine Israel supplying electricity to gaza after the war

Like 6 months ago, my conservative rabbi went to israel to protest the judicial reforms and Netanyahu. So plenty of Us jews criticized the Israeli govt.

But now? What's going on on college campuses? It's scary being a Jew in America today. It was probably already there but this war has brought out the antisemitism

Here we go with the “but what about college campuses”

I’m sure young people protesting the Iraq war were called AlQueda or terrorists too.

It's not the fact they are protesting. It's the antisemitic attacks during the protests

yep , when i protested the Iraq war in 02/03 ,it wasnt because i hated America, and because i hated NYC (i used to be able to see tower 1 from my bedroom window) ,it was because this was going to be collective punishment and a pretty clear attempt at framing the iraq govt for their non existent WMD , couple with the "they hate us for our freedom".

same goes here , I loved jewish people , i got along with just about all of them, i grew up next to jewish neighborhoods, i played ball with secular AND hasid jews as a kid.

to me and to most this is about the Israeli government, the US govt the IDF being ok with civilians and a good % little kids .


its obvious they want war , and it seems so does hamas and whomever is behind them.

I don't agree that the current discourse allows this distinction to exist. Every national news broadcast that I have seen has a pundit or spokesperson basically saying being anti- Israel in this war is being antisemitic.

Edit- being anti-Israel includes being critical of their military tactics.

I wasn't commenting on the state of media. I was simply noting the theoretical distinction.

I protested then too for all the reasons you mentioned but unlike then, I do think a significant minority of protestors are at least offering some very questionable opinions if not outright antisemitism. Not enough to categorize the protests that way but enough to be concerned about. That’s definitely different. Hatred of Muslims also seems at least as prevalent today in the US and much much higher in Europe than I remember.