Bezos looks better now than he did 20 years ago. I am sure many women would find him genuinely attractive even without his hundreds of billions.

Melissa Gates left Bill because of his association with Epstein

I dont normally comment or care about private lives but that may be genuine politcs fodder.

Pretty much every large incel echo-chamber has fostered these beliefs, they identify the sub-culture. A lot of these places got wiped when the rhetoric got very violent. Radical in this sense more refers to the people who are doing more than lip-service, genuine believers if you will.

This in the same way that white supremacists have a lot of followers in their online fora, but the radicals actively work to spread the message, recruit adherents and encourage acting on the ideology.

But just like nationalists these days like to talk as if they speak for conservatives, incels like to talk as if they speak for every young man who face repeated romantic rejection. Which is somewhat reminiscent of their roots as online hangouts for men who felt uncomfortable with modern dating culture.

My take is that they became a natural haven for anti-feminists. I paid attention to that movement about a decade or so ago, and it used extremely violent and aggressive rhetoric (I think it is the most extreme online community I have seen when it comes to fetishizing violence and murder), and I think a lot of their ideology is now recognizable in current incel ideology (perhaps apart from their bizarre fascination with killing police officers).

Long story short: Incel ideology is bad news.

lol, the ugly girls aren’t holding up with top 10% hot dudes, what are you on?

Ya we can argue on that but you are just wrong.

There is a pretty significant percent of guys who will sleep with any girl if that is all that is available that night. you did not hang out with a lot of guys in University nor play sports if you do not know that. I can say that for fact and don't care if anyone says 'that is just your anecdotal experience'.

Risking being crude the 'two bagger' (a bad for her head and one for yours in case the one on hers slips off) has always been a thing. Any of the few gals who were at the club, when the night ended, the lights came on and the staff were taking your drinks and sending you home, could get sex that night from any of numerous guys who were still there and had not hooked up yet. And it was not just ugly guys.

My good friend mentioned above would always say "9 out of 10 girls are ugly so while you guys fight over 1 good looking one, I am f*cking 9 ugly ones' and he was a very good looking guy (still is) who only had girlfriends who were very good looking. But for easy quick sex he always set his sights down, knowing it would be easier to close.

So you really have no clue what you are talking about on this topic as an ugly gal, especially in the world of social media apps, can easily get sex with good looking guys with game, if they are willing to make it very easy for them.

Your friend sounds like a shallow loser who’ll be single for life, I don’t know why you’re idolizing him. Like he’s picking up lonely women at closing time for a casual **** and you think he has “good game?”

The whole idea that we can rate people on a 1-dimensional scale of “hotness” is absurd. It’s like what dating must seem like if you’ve never interacted with real human beings in any meaningful way. Dudes with zero social skills go to Reddit to create explanations for why they’re single losers instead of working on themselves. They blame apps, feminism, etc. Some middle-aged dude chasing barflies at closing time is their idea of a Gigachad.

I don't know why you feel the need to blatantly just lie so much.

I have been around guys like that all my life and never idolized them nor wanted their life. I've never been interested in body count and could easily have a significant one myself if that was my goal. I have always been more of a relationship guy and tended to get serious and exclusive with any gal I dated whom I liked and who mutually liked me.


That does not mean, that I did not hang out with significant percent of guys most guys call 'dogs'. And yes most have 'good game' as they can and do also pick up some of the best looking girls and date them. Approaching, flirting, and getting the type of engagement from a gal is more a learned skill than a god given one. The more you practice it the easier it becomes. Guys who DNGAF and flirt with everyone tend to be much better at it then those who do not.

Your position seems to be 'you disapprove so you will deny they exist'. That is just stupid. You can't just hand wave away things or people you do not like and there are absolutely a significant percent of guys who will take any sex available on any given night, based on the best (or only) option available.


Those guys love Apps like Tinder as they never wanted to do much work for unattractive girls to begin with but if they can line them up week after week, they are not saying no.

This thread is so ****ing weird.

QP’s mediocre friend hooks up with ugly girls on Tinder, therefore something something dating apps are bad.

Who is saying any of this?

You are making up arguments to then call ridiculous.

Of course different people appreciate aspects of looks and there is no 1 view of 'hotness'. I cannot even imagine why you would fly off on such a strawman other than you can see no legit way to disagree with this topic so you then make up one of your own to disagree with. You are such an odd duck.

The issue being discussed is one of 'is an increasingly default online world, especially in the area of dating, making it harder for marginalized men to find partners'?

Is, as Chez pointed out, the superficiality of Online meetings causing problems for young awkward men?


I mean, we see how much undeniable impact this move to socialization over the internet (problems with social media) are having in other areas, so why, to you is this a discussion that just should not be engaged and you seem insulted by the very idea it would be engaged?

Is it ok to discuss 'radicalization of moms and dads (Jan 6th) due to the Internet and social media', or do you think that wrong to discuss to because some of these people were certainly defective prior to the internet?

It is like you have an issue discussing how the Internet is exasperating these issues, which is an odd stance to take.

“Dating apps make it hard for regular guys to meet girls” is such a completely unhinged take, it makes the transgender thread look sane by comparison.

I had a quick browse and it apears that women look at the profile far more than men do. That's not a big surprise and it does suggest that a man just needs to be presentable on their pic. If men can't get any dates from the app then it's pobably a bad pic and a bad profile.

Without a doubt men can and should spend some time and effort on their profiles.

That said, this dynamic is not necessarily App specific. Given an abundance of available men women will always tend to get more selective and vice versa.

You see the same dynamic in bars and nightclubs that tend to attract out more men than women.

One of the reasons I loved Edmonton for what I termed my 'Born again Single' years (divorced, grown kids) was because the ratio of men to women out in any venue was about 50/50. I have traveled a lot across Canada and the US and seen no where as well balanced as Edmonton. Toronto, where i spend most of my career, was almost all single dudes in the core of the city. Most of the single gals, could not afford to live in the downtown and lived and went out in areas such as Yonge & Eglinton. As such it was super challenging to talk to any single gal you might meet in the downtown as so many guys were approaching them. You go into an area where it skews differently and you get the opposite reaction. Edmonton was one of the best places to approach and chat with a gal. Rarely would a guy get attitude or turned away for just approaching.

The guys on this forum who pretend they have all this figured out bet have not been single for a decade or more as they are woefully ignorant of how things are playing out and how online dating is impacting that. Both of my daughters met their S>O's online. Most of their friends did too short of the ones who stuck with a highchool or uni partner.

And in the online world girls are always in super high demand (basically 10 guys for every girl) which means the gals will naturally gravitate to the best profiles (both looks and 'game' or how they verbally present) and that, that shocks some guys here who think the gals will drop down to profile 50 of the 'average Joe with no game (no good verbal presentation), while ignoring the guys who 'liked' her who are both better looking and with better game, is just silly.

Women will always be more selective and stick to replying to the top 2-30% of likes they get which tend to be very heavily weighted to the same group of guys (type) in each area.

Sounds like you believe that you have it all figured out.

All the best.

Does QP think dudes date ten girls at the same time? It’s so wild.

I wouldn't be shocked if that were true for some people, of both genders. In my single years I casually saw a few girls at the same time* and they were also casually seeing other people. One of those girls told me she had been with 300+ guys. So she was likely seeing at least one new guy every week for years. Not all of them were gigachads, some were pretty average people like me. The reason she went with me is because I had online poker on my profile and she played a lot of poker. Which brings me to another thing I don't understand about incels. Why would they hate loose women? Their chance of sleeping with a women that is waiting for marriage is so much lower than their chance of sleeping with a women who sleeps with a lot of guys.

I admit I have been out of the game a almost a decade at this point, so things may have radically changed. Back when I was on tinder it was tough but not impossible if you worked at it, were willing to date outside of your race, had a wide age range, looked at surrounding cities ect. Besides there were other apps like OKC and POF.

(* I am a nerdy guy with pretty bad anxiety with average at best looks, it took a lot of time and effort to get to that point. I have never successfully approached a woman outside of an online environment).

The wide age range concept is a less than charming concept that has been brought up in some other threads based on the history of this place.


Not a new concept...

By that I mean I was in my early 20s and I was willing to see people up to their early 40s, not that I was creeping on young people.

Lol at your stupidity that you think they are looking to date.

I know many guys who have multiple sexual partners at all times, one just being replaced by the other thx to Apps like Tinder.

Guys who are easily have sex with upwards of 100 gals a year.

This!

It's actually a really interesting topic but the discussion so far is bizarre...

Juk

Everyone knows you need to factor in crazy.

What do you think the discussion should be talking about then?

That's their problem especially in this day and age where it's easier than ever to get laid.. Guys who turn to violence for such ultimately trivial reasons are seriously disturbed to begin with. If them being incels wasn't the catalyst, something else would be, due to them being already seriously disturbed. I don't think they deserve any sympathy or empathy. They give regular men a bad name.

This 100%.

These incel "terrorists" would be doing the same crazy stuff whether it is today or whether it was forty years ago. Forty years ago, these people were instead prolific serial killers; today they commit mass shootings. Things only seem worse because (a) mass shootings are more visible than serial killing, (b) there is more media attention to this group of people, (c) there is more psychological understanding regarding what makes these people tick, (d) crime rates are far lower today than they were in the 70s and 80s, so horrific murders are more shocking to the senses, and (e) these people have access to the Internet, which makes them more visible and also allows them to consort with each other, as opposed to just sulking in their rooms by themselves.