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07-13-2020 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Every single media outlet is selling a story. That guy is the least biased among others I've found.
We know. You like his story.
07-13-2020 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
We know. You like his story.
and you don't like his story.

the overriding point is, the media screwed the pooch.
07-13-2020 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
and you don't like his story.

the overriding point is, the media screwed the pooch.
I've already pointed out a distortion in his story. You pretend to care a lot about distortions, except for when such distortions tell a story you like.

How did "the media" screw the pooch?
07-13-2020 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Scrolled through his feed a bit and every tweet of his was slamming only "liberal" media. It sounds like you just like his story better.

Also pretty questionable if he's actually doing a good job of "wading through bullshit". Take this tweet:



That was one of two days recently where New Jersey added a backlog of "probable" deaths from over a long period of time - NJ otherwise has 20-40 deaths most days now.



Very disingenuous to report on that figure without disclosing that info, particularly if you're trying to present yourself as a trustworthy person who's not selling a story (spoiler: he's selling a story, and you bought it).
Interesting how you didn't turn to the 7 day moving average again.

The 7 day mov ing average in NJ had gotten down to the 20's (deaths/day) but has been on the upswing and is in the high 40s. Just doing the eyeball test I know this (7 day moving average of 48 deaths/day) is WAY higher population adjusted death rate than California or Texas's has ever had, and I actually did the math for Florida and it is worst than Floridas all time high (which is right now) too.

So by any objective measure NJ right now is failing as bad as all the states that are the media punching bag, and that is on top of the much bigger epidemic NJ already went though (where their 7 day moving average was in the (300s day/dead).

So in a rational world NJ should be leading the headlines right now as much as Florida or Texas, yet it isn't because that doesn't fit the partisan narrative. And yes that guy is telling a story, but that story at least is a lot more honest than anything coming from CNN, MSNBC or Washington Post.
07-13-2020 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
Interesting how you didn't turn to the 7 day moving average again.
It's really not. It just seems interesting because you're extremely stupid. Each time you've found it interesting I didn't mention 7DRA, it's because I'm responding to a person who didn't use 7DRA.
07-13-2020 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
So by any objective measure ... yet it isn't because that doesn't fit the partisan narrative
This is also false. Like I said, New Jersey's death total spiked because they're reporting probable deaths. You know who's not doing that? Florida. Texas. If you compare apples to apples, NJ's 7-day average of deaths is 31, or 3.5/million, same as Florida. But Florida's recording significantly more cases with a significantly higher percent of positive tests. 1% of tests are coming back positive in New Jersey. One percent! In Florida it's 19%. New Jersey is logging a few hundred new cases per day while Florida's getting several thousand. So obviously Florida is in a significantly worse, scarier place right now. Texas, same story. And if you want to talk deaths, AZ has nearly double NJ with a smaller population. It's really not close.

Like I keep telling you, Kelhus: numbers are for smart people. You are not smart. There is a very serious mental defect in your brain that prevents you from seeing anything through a lens other than "partisan narratives". Get help.
07-13-2020 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I've already pointed out a distortion in his story. You pretend to care a lot about distortions, except for when such distortions tell a story you like.

How did "the media" screw the pooch?
I'm not going to go hard in the paint on this. Besides, what I "like"? You are the partisan out of us two, bub.
07-13-2020 , 02:05 AM
Well people, we all thought that geography was the final boss, but it seems the real culprit has finally removed its own mask and stepped into the light: the media.

Let me be the first to say I’m totally unsurprised that the lamestream caused the American/Brazilian apocalypse.
07-13-2020 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
Well people, we all thought that geography was the final boss, but it seems the real culprit has finally removed its own mask and stepped into the light: the media.

Let me be the first to say I’m totally unsurprised that the lamestream caused the American/Brazilian apocalypse.
When the media is more concerned with narratives than facts, we have an issue.
07-13-2020 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You are the partisan, bub.
The most entertaining part of this forum is the group of people (primarily you and Kelhus) that think "partisan" is the most radioactive word imaginable, who would sooner die than admit they are partisan, despite departing from conservative ideology about as often as joe6pack.

We're all partisans, bub. You're just the only ones too terrified and insecure to admit it.
07-13-2020 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
The most entertaining part of this forum is the group of people (primarily you and Kelhus) that think "partisan" is the most radioactive word imaginable, who would sooner die than admit they are partisan, despite departing from conservative ideology about as often as joe6pack.

We're all partisans, bub. You're just the only ones too terrified and insecure to admit it.
I don't defend every RW idea. I see you defend the left on almost everything.
07-13-2020 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
When the media is more concerned with narratives than facts, we have an issue.
That would indeed be a concerning issue if there was any evidence whatsoever that was happening (outside all the networks that claimed COVID was a hoax, of course).
07-13-2020 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
Well people, we all thought that geography was the final boss, but it seems the real culprit has finally removed its own mask and stepped into the light: the media.

Let me be the first to say I’m totally unsurprised that the lamestream caused the American/Brazilian apocalypse.
The media didn't cause the pandemic, but it doesn't seem to be accurately portraying the pandemic either. I think the red-blue partisan narrative is just too simple, and doesn't really capture what is going on.

The NE blue states went through some real bad pandemics and seem to be on the other side. Despite having ample opportunity and time to learn from this, many parts of the rest of the country didn't seem to learn anything so now they appear to be on a trajectory towards something similar.

If there had been a Democrat in the White House or it had happened the other way around (The South getting hit first) would things be remarkably different. I think there would be some differences, but I suspect less than we are imagining.
07-13-2020 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
.2 percent means 600,000 will die.

Should have stuck with that, but the administraion kept saying only 100,000 will died.

It has always been, .02 percent.
do your maths again brah

also I think they stated that it's basically impossible to get 100% of the population infected
07-13-2020 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
Interesting how you didn't turn to the 7 day moving average again.

The 7 day mov ing average in NJ had gotten down to the 20's (deaths/day) but has been on the upswing and is in the high 40s. Just doing the eyeball test I know this (7 day moving average of 48 deaths/day) is WAY higher population adjusted death rate than California or Texas's has ever had, and I actually did the math for Florida and it is worst than Floridas all time high (which is right now) too.

So by any objective measure NJ right now is failing as bad as all the states that are the media punching bag, and that is on top of the much bigger epidemic NJ already went though (where their 7 day moving average was in the (300s day/dead).

So in a rational world NJ should be leading the headlines right now as much as Florida or Texas, yet it isn't because that doesn't fit the partisan narrative. And yes that guy is telling a story, but that story at least is a lot more honest than anything coming from CNN, MSNBC or Washington Post.
Death numbers cannot be controlled directly, there is no cure and limited treatment so one state cannot ‘do better’ with deaths unless their doctors are keeping something to themselves. What can be controlled is number of cases and that’s where you should look to see which areas are doing better. Deaths are a function of cases until medical advancements are found.

There is no comparison between where NJ and Florida/Texas are currently.
07-13-2020 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
The CCP agrees with you. Power to the people.
The CCP is not communist.
07-13-2020 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
The most entertaining part of this forum is the group of people (primarily you and Kelhus) that think "partisan" is the most radioactive word imaginable, who would sooner die than admit they are partisan, despite departing from conservative ideology about as often as joe6pack.

We're all partisans, bub. You're just the only ones too terrified and insecure to admit it.
Speak for yourself Goofy.
It's definitely the case that not everyone is a partisan. And it would be a pretty embarrassing thing to admit to being fwiw.

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07-13-2020 , 05:13 AM
another thing to be looked at is the state of american health in general

the New York numbers suggested that 90% of all deaths had underlying conditions
07-13-2020 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Zeus
The CCP is not communist.
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
They are most definitely communist.



https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/03...mmunist-party/
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07-13-2020 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
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From the article.

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Sure, China long ago dumped the core of the communist economic system
Dumping the communist economic system and still being communist, which is an economic system, indeed is a sociological theory in which all social and political relations emerge from the economic system, is a complete oxymoron.

Its impossible to not have a Communist economic system and be still actually be communist in anything but name.

All of the things the article describes about political control are all features common to authoritarian systems.
07-13-2020 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
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Opinion pieces aren't sources or proof.

Here's mine:
https://www.cato.org/policy-report/j...ame-capitalist

Thats 1-1.

Political theorists define communism as workers owning and running a society against the forces of capital (i.e. private ownership), which follows the broadly Marxist analysis of theories of labour and economy.

China does not do this. Chinese central powers own a lot of the forces of capital, alongside private businesses thereby mixing capitalism and authoritarian statism.

When I say "China isn't Communist" that is what I mean.

I don't think there's anything wrong with how you and your source define Communism to be honest. They call themselves communist, just like the Russian's did in the 80's. Its just confusing that there are two very different commonly accepted definitions of communism.

So, given that what are you afraid of when you say the forces of communism are coming?

Is it the actual system China lives under, or the Communism as Marx imagined it?
07-13-2020 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by the pleasure
first of all thank you for having the stugots to reply.


we can get to the after stuff on the next post. but righ there. it wasnt JUST biden that made that claim, warren did as well calling it divisive. all this the LAST week of january.

so here we are. people bashing/criticizing the POTUS move of banning travel to/from china at END of january when his admin obv knew the affects. while they didnt take it "seriously" by all. they legitbanned travel.

we had two of the top runners in the DEM party ( at that time) call out trump for a travel ban.



my point? lets say it was obama, or ANY other POTUS in trumps shoes. Its a lose lose. straight up nobody is going to be happy. and based on what other dems have said the weeks in feburary makes me think, while they WOULD have been stricter. I dont think their actions would have been 1000% better than what we did in the early stages.

trump admin handleed it so fkn poorly esc from a comm standpoint.
but i dont care who POTUS was, red or blue, Its just a lose lose where one side is going to be bitching about the consequences. even if it wrongfully so.
No. It is not a lose, lose for Trump as you say.

The key you are missing about the above is that as the SCIENCE and FACTS became known everyone followed the the SCIENCE and FACTS except for TRUMP.

You need to understand this is a novel virus meaning that no one knew what to do with regards to handling it. So you start with people making their best guesses.

If you play poker you know about the flaw of 'Results based Thinking'. Meaning you do not give much credit or blame for people guessing and getting something right or wrong.

So give Trump a little credit for his guess.

Now you see Trump and Minions trying to discredit Anthony Fauci by pointing out the handful of wrong guesses he made early in this pandemic.

Trump too made more than a handful of wrong guesses but they ignore that.

But what is different between them is that as SCIENCE and FACTS have presented Fauci has followed them whereas Trump has fought them, dismissed them, and mocked them.

So this continued attempt to try and pretend Trump could not have done things better and was in a lose/lose either way is just a lie. Had Trump merely got out of the way of Fauci and others the US would be in a much better place as Fauci advocated the same things that Canada and Europe followed. And Trump could have taken all the credit regardless.

The disastrous handling of this is on Trump pretty much 100% which is a rare thing to say as usually there are lots of people you can point at at the top who foment big f*ckups like this.
07-13-2020 , 09:19 AM
Trump going after Fauci is very much like Russia and China going after some of their top officials who got it right and tried to steer people in the right direction early on in Chernobyl and Covid respectively.

Trump and the top officials in China and Russia got it wrong. They then find the need to discredit and demonize those who got it right and paint a picture that they instead got it wrong, so that it does not look like they had the right advice available to them and did not take it.

Why? Because it puts it back on them. 'Why did you not listen?' 'You must now own your mistakes'.

As the poster 'the pleasure' does above instead the goal, as Covid is set to extract yet another massive and unnecessary death toll in the States, is to set a stage of 'there was never anything that could have been done different or better. No one knew anything better that could have been done'. And for that Fauci must be discredited.
07-13-2020 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Every single media outlet is selling a story. That guy is the least biased among others I've found.
This is the dumbest thing I've read on the internet today... admittedly a short day so far. I'm going to need some more coffee.
07-13-2020 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
and you don't like his story.

the overriding point is, the media screwed the pooch.
You can easily make the argument that the media, or whatever, has failed us in X ways.

However, when you point to this tool as the reason why you make it clear you're just not to be taken seriously.

      
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