Big Pharma has always been involved, but it is getting much worse as they seek to take full control of the data, what is researched, what is published and what is said about the research.

I presented several groups who are raising that alarm about the amounts of money being decreased by gov't going in to research and big corps stepping up to provide it, and who they sue relentless and merciless and often speciously any other institution, scientist or doctor who dares to raise skepticism (valid) against what they publish, as they try to create a chilling effect on it.

Add to that, that Big Pharma (Big Corps) has been similarly infiltrating the FDA and other gov't watchdog agencies, and we are in a position where we may have no choice but to trust Big Pharma benevolence in the future and hope they put good science over profits.

I like the cut of this guy's jib

and blackmailing of scientists, rand paul was really the only one calling them out.
total corruption, they are pushing money back and forth to each other and everyone stays silent.

A retired ophthalmologist calling out virologists. Only in washoe world.

Rand Paul is an unAmerican troll beholden to a fat man in kabuki makeup, sound familiar little boy?

Nonsense is nonsense. You have to have some credibility to troll effectively, washoe. Up your game or vanish.

nonsense?? seriously KS I thought you are a backing me here.

I dont know how the f anyone is not familiar with this, but this was a huge deal, the "Great Barrington Declaration"

"As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.""

The Barrington Declaration has over 930,500+ Signatures !!


https://gbdeclaration.org/



"How Fauci and Collins Shut Down Covid Debate

They worked with the media to trash the Great Barrington Declaration."


https://www.wsj.com/articles/fauci-c...wn-11640129116

"No Debate: Fauci and Collins silence scientists"

"The tale unfolded in October 2020 after the launch of the Great Barrington Declaration, a statement by Harvard’s Martin Kulldorff, Oxford’s Sunetra Gupta and Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya against blanket pandemic lockdowns. They favored a policy of what they called “focused protection” of high-risk populations such as the elderly or those with medical conditions. Thousands of scientists signed the declaration—if they were able to learn about it."


https://wisconsinspotlight.com/no-de...ce-scientists/

I dont think I need to up anything here, none of this is nonsense, its very real, Im being treated unfairly now.

I've posted before how shutting down the input from experts like Sunetra Gupta was very worrying. Even though I was very much (and still am) in the other camp.

I always want to hear as much as possible from people with credentials like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunetra_Gupta
But just in case there's any confusion. she is not remotely anti-vaccination

WTF is a wisconsinspotlight?

Some bullshit personal site by some bit writer from thefederalist?

One can choose to believe anything.

The American Public Health Association and 13 other public-health groups in the United States warned in a joint open letter that the Great Barrington Declaration "ignores sound public health expertise". wiki

I cant vouch for the author or any of the linked sites.

There are no other left leaning sources out there, such as cnn, nbc or any others.

What I can vouch for is the content. (Leaked Emails)


'There needs to be a quick and devastating take down': Emails show how Fauci and head of NIH worked to discredit three experts who penned the Great Barrington Declaration which called for an end to lockdowns

• The emails show Fauci and NIH Director Francis Collins attempting to coordinate a 'devastating takedown' of the Great Barrington Declaration (GBD)
• AIER, a libertarian think tank, sponsored the GBD, which largely abandons lockdowns in favor of herd immunity strategy that allows life to return to normal
• In an October 8 email from Collins to Fauci, the head of the NIH calls the GBD the work of 'three fringe epidemiologists' that 'seems to be getting a lot of attention'
• Collins adds that 'there needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. I don't see anything like that online yet - is it underway?'
• Fauci later sends Collins multiple op-eds trashing the GBD in Wired and The Nation Magazine
• Dr. Jay Bhattacharya - one of the authors and a DailyMail.com contributor - tweeted that he was the subject of a propaganda attack by his own government

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lockdowns.html

no **** it says that, there are very few traces of this online now.

We talked about this, I can vividly remember our conversation, KS, about fauci smearing scientists. Your response to freshen your memory was " hook, line, sinker"

There are whole vidoes, senate hearings, about it still itt, and online.

Im absolutely baffled now and dont know whats going on.

1 million people have died of covid in the US while a large portion of the population is following the Russian psyop campaign to not wear masks or get vaccinated, and you wonder why the head epidemiologist of the USA thinks herd immunity is dangerous and stupid?

"Fauci wanted a takedown!!!" No ****, he wanted Americans to be safe, vs 3 quacks writing some neckbeard incel horseshit about herd immunity.

good one

ks, they had to discredit them that's why you read a counter statement/declaration. it's all politics.

he wanted to take down the top Epidemiologists, from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford, who were simply better than him but who could spit in his soup. (I actually don't know if they are smarter than fauci, but I go by instinct and certainly appears so to me. look at fauci and then check out the credentials of those guys)

for the same reason they silenced other top people who questioned the origins.


very interesting articles here:

'The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins'

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...id-19s-origins


'Scientists speak out on being silenced when raising concerns about COVID lab leak theory'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sci...ab-leak-theory

this was nothing else but the silencing of science. that's the principle. everyone was afraid to speak up. read one or both of the articles there.

This part of your story checks out.

The official count is higher than 1 million in the USA, so if you have some other (tin foil) source please share.

Don't really care about BA5 right now as it is summer time and the spreading seems minimal but I do have to ask, come winter, there is basically gonna be another variant atleast of omicron level that is going to bring the virus back to atleast Dec-Jan levels, right?

I actually had a great post in this thread (I must say) about how the death numbers from omicron seemed way too high to me if 95% of deaths were unvaxxed, months later it came out that about 40% of the deaths were indeed vaccinated but likely not boosted. Seems like you would get a repeat of that. Calling people "fully vaxxed" if they aren't boosted torched off a lot of lives.

So basically this thing is never going away? Given we're never locking down like 2020 again, better hope none of the strains are lethal.

For all practical purposes, yes. And we are probably as vaxxed up in the United States as we ever will be. Life is full of background risks. We just have to decide, both individually and collectively, how we want to live in light of this new risk, because it is not going away any time soon.

If it gets nasty enough to really stress health care systems some polities will for sure lock down again.

The worry is it keeps the massive infectability upgrades it has acquired since covid 1.0 but then has a lethality power up, which would make it considerable more damaging than it was during the lockdowns.

Seems like more contagious+less lethal is how the mutations go, but obviously that isn't a set in stone hard and fast rule, some bad variance is really gonna be problematic.

The NBA just handed out like 2 billion in contracts, you can't have the stadium empty, c'mon now

Covid is really doing its own thang when it comes to mutations, so would put the chance that a highly transmissible higher disease variant as a given over a long enough time line.

You are both correct. Mutations typically trend in the direction of higher transmissibility and lower lethality, but with every spin of the wheel, there is a risk that a high transmissibility, high lethality mutation could emerge.

The point is covid is not behaving typically when it comes to mutations.