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Lets be serious the accusation against Cavanaugh was flimsy at best. Was he a first rate douche on the stand of course he was. The man had a great reputation as well.

Have you seen the interview from the second person with Cuomo? Lets be honest Cuomo is a bit of a Trump himself a bully and a dirty old man
Al Frakken was served up by the democrats and never should have been. He should have been able to say Sorry for a bad taste photo and move on.

Yuo are wrong! Just because Blasey Ford didn’t know how she got to the house, doesn’t know the address, doesn’t know the date, doesnt know who else was there, doesn’t know how she got home doesn’t make it flimsy. Come now.

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03-06-2021 , 12:03 PM

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Back to COVID please.

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03-07-2021 , 02:48 PM

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Parents grooming their kids for the future!

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03-08-2021 , 11:26 AM

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So on Covid if the USA is on path to have everyone that wants a vaccine by end of May 2021 and the vaccine takes about 4 weeks to be fully effective. Is it fair to ask why anyone would be mandated to wear a mask?
As well Canada is on pace for Sept 1 and possibly earlier do we see that anyone that wants to cross the border can?
As well should the two counties be working on a system were it is mandated to have the vaccine to cross the border for any reason?

Bottom line the vaccine should be a choice but if you choose not to get it why should I have to wear a mask to protect you?

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03-08-2021 , 05:20 PM

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Your mask question isn't very clear to me. If you mean why should there be mask mandates after vaccines are available to all, I've not seen anyone suggest there would be one.

As for border crossings, I have my doubts there will be a vaccine requirement.

Edit to add: In fact, it would appear people are already being told they don't have to wear masks once vaccinated:

Fully vaccinated people can gather without masks, CDC says

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03-09-2021 , 10:36 AM

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This data is not at all surprising to me.

Sadly I imagine a complete sh*t storm in terms of politicization and denial and CT's with regards to this type of future data as it becomes more clear.

"60% underreporting on average"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....27.21250604v1

"This chart is a summary with the countries showing the most excess mortality. The chart looks horrible but the % in right corner shows excess mortality in %, ranking goes from left to right per line."

(Credit where credit is due to bbfg in BFI CoronaVirus thread who posted the image and all quoted material.)

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03-09-2021 , 10:44 AM

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Bottom line the vaccine should be a choice but if you choose not to get it why should I have to wear a mask to protect you?

What a weird, transactional way to think about public health, especially a full year+ into a pandemic.

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03-09-2021 , 10:53 AM

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What a weird, transactional way to think about public health, especially a full year+ into a pandemic.

Why is this weird? If everyone that wants a vaccine can get one and the 4 week period has passed for the vaccine to take its full effect why should wearing a mask be mandated? Heck if folks choose to wear one so be it.
Of course ill wear a mask till this is achieved. I also have no issue if a private business chooses to leave a mask mandate in place after everyone is vaccinated

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03-09-2021 , 10:58 AM

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I don’t know enough about public health to have smart answers here, but this “why should I have to protect that guy’s safety?” attitude is weird.

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03-09-2021 , 11:24 AM

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Well there does have to be some limits there.

If a hard core percent of Trump CT'ers simply refuse the vaccine and continue to die, I don't think restaurants and other businesses should be forced to close or not use indoor seating to protect them.

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03-09-2021 , 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I don’t know enough about public health to have smart answers here, but this “why should I have to protect that guy’s safety?” attitude is weird.

We Can Do It has turned into Ya, How About No?

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03-09-2021 , 12:34 PM

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I'm under the impression that they're not looking for special treatment in this regard.
Although still they should probably be forced to wear something like purple rectangles around their necks so that businesses or the correct thinking public can choose whether to be around them-- as as you know, the vaccine is not 100% effective.

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03-09-2021 , 12:46 PM

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My reference is more to some experts saying we need to wear masks possibly into 2021 and social distance.

Though I still believe the G& may work on some vaccination ID as I have no doubt many countries will ban entry to folks not vaccinated

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03-09-2021 , 01:19 PM

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The ID stuff is already happening and they started soft peddling it as soon as the pandemic happened. It's apparently being spearheaded by the IATA-- which is the association that represents the airline industry.
https://www.iata.org/en/programs/passenger/travel-pass/

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03-09-2021 , 02:31 PM

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Ya i am quite sure the future will require everyone have accessible their vaccine passport.

Some type of QR code type secure scannable encrypted and protected code that businesses who want to restrict access to those vaccinated can have a scanning device at the entryway before you are allowed in.

I think it is inevitable.

Not sure I will love that as I see the pressure by big Pharma lobby to make more and more vaccines 'required' will be immense. They will always reveres engineer a reason why 'this one' is critical too.

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03-10-2021 , 02:58 PM

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So I am watching CNN and they are reporting That Lebron James will not comment on whether he will get the vaccine or not. As a leader in the black community were reservations already exist to not get the shot this one baffles me

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03-10-2021 , 04:14 PM

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Gotta protect that gravy train I guess

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03-10-2021 , 05:42 PM

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Maybe he just doesn't want to get it and doesn't want to say that he won't?

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03-10-2021 , 05:50 PM

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In my state it seems you get a sticker to say you got the vaccine and maybe you don't need a mask. Seems to easy to abuse lol.

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03-11-2021 , 10:57 AM

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In my state it seems you get a sticker to say you got the vaccine and maybe you don't need a mask. Seems to easy to abuse lol.

Oh I am sure someone will try and forge Vaccination Passports as well

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03-11-2021 , 02:30 PM

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CTV News

With COVID-19 vaccines rolling out, countries are looking into the idea of vaccination passports, but experts fear it could cause inequities.

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03-19-2021 , 04:56 AM

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Jesus, this guy is a ****ing idiot sometimes. Maybe all the time; I'm not "lucky" enough to have seen him in action often enough to say for sure.

See Rand Paul spar with Dr. Fauci over masks

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03-19-2021 , 06:26 AM

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CTV News

With COVID-19 vaccines rolling out, countries are looking into the idea of vaccination passports, but experts fear it could cause inequities.

That's like putting a band-aid on a gunshot to the liver.

We've made how we produce food into a perfect petri-dish for diseases (factory farming), we have greatly reduced the world's biodiversity and transformed the vast majority of the word's landmass to a very narrow band of ecosystems and we have made it extremely easy for anyone to travel anywhere. This we have built for ourselves, a species that has a problem with low genetic diversity as it is.

Vaccines are great and obviously something we need, but the main issue we face is trying to tackle is to reduce the factors that makes it easier for diseases to mutate and spread.

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03-19-2021 , 09:20 AM

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Jesus, this guy is a ****ing idiot sometimes. Maybe all the time; I'm not "lucky" enough to have seen him in action often enough to say for sure.

See Rand Paul spar with Dr. Fauci over masks

This should help you understand Rand Paul and his idiocy.

He uses all the talking points re USA doing well and Covid not bad that you read in the BFI forum repeated as fact.

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03-19-2021 , 09:46 AM

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This should help you understand Rand Paul and his idiocy.

He uses all the talking points re USA doing well and Covid not bad that you read in the BFI forum repeated as fact.

Yeah Rand Paul says a lot of garbage but I do agree with him the best way to get folks to get the shot is than we will not have to wear a mask. Early on I was impressed on how many Americans were going to get the shot but that number seems to be dropping.
The average person is saying so if everyone that can get a shot can have one by the middle of May why do we have to wear a mask after the vaccines take .
Damn I saw the numbers the USA is crushing it getting the vaccines in folks arms.

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