It's going to be hard to figure out how many of the excess deaths can be attributed to treatment not available due to covid taking the resources.

At this point, any non third world country should be loaded up on oxygen. If I heard something like London, Los Angeles, Paris are running low on oxygen a year into this it would be pretty frustrating. Mainly the only thing to be done for covid patients in give them oxygen and they need to fight it off. Hope countries are adding to these types of resources to free up cardiologists and such to do their jobs.

Sure. The main metric is going to be excess deaths. I think the standard is age adjusted excess deaths

With oxygen in the Uk it was delivery to the bed that was difficult but it was handled. That and other equipment is not the main resource issue. It's mainly nurses and doctors which can't be magiced into existence and can't be imported in the way they usually could be in a national crises. It's all about 'beds' but a bed includes lots of equipment and lots of staff.

In the UK the number of staff per bed was reduced and procedures were cancelled with the consequent rise in excess deaths. Still not enough.

What we did terrifically well in the UK was clinical trials of treatments. That saved huge number of lives. Plus the vaccine program

There wasn't much to it. They had just come back from the Rockies game and I asked what capacity they allowed in the stadium, and mentioned I wasn't able to get an appointment yet for the vaccine. Then they said they weren't going to get it because it was a hoax, and I changed the subject.

Nightingale hospitals were not used because there were no spare nurses or doctors.

They were basically a complete government cock up, yes its great to have more beds, but more beds implies more staff to utilise them. No extra staff = beds are pointless. There were no extra staff.

The staff we had were at full capacity manning the bed stock we already had reduced numbers due to high numbers of health professionals getting the vid.

Some nightingale hospitals were used to put low risk patients in who could be looked after by lesser trained social care, thus freeing beds for more the seriously ill in actual hospitals.

I would assume that the management would inform any prospective employees about any smoking or non-mask-wearing going on.

Like President Truman famously said: If you can't stand the smoke, get out of the pub.

Being informed is insufficient. Just as you cant simply inform the staff that the equipment is unsafe.

Someone else smoking isn't unsafe for me if I'm wearing a mask.

Unsafe equipment is unsafe for me whether I'm wearing a mask or not.

By that logic there shouldn't be any workplace regulations at all, we can just go straight back to 1800s regulations. Off you go, if you die then we need someone new. Bring your children too - if they are over 5, they can work 12 hours shifts 7 days a week too.

Appropriate response on your part. Iinteractions with those neighbors are recommended to be few and far between.

I'm strongly in favor of workplace regulations. Appropriate safety attire should be provided by the employer when working with dangerous equipment. Employees wearing a proper mask should remove any health risks associated with second-hand smoke. If no mask can do that, then I agree that smoking should be prohibited.

Your post above should be required reading before multi-millionaire virtue-signalling athletes sign an endorsement deal with Nike.

Well, at least Covid victims died on behalf of a worthy cause.

I dont know if that is true plus some people cannot wear masks.

It's more the other way around. Huge advances in virus science over the last decade or so are the reason we we have almost unbelivable success now.

New effective vaccines were designed almost immediately (Oxford vaccine in an evening in the pub). Clinical trials (and production) took the time.

Then they shouldn't work where patrons are smoking. Since I am allergic to grass, I should probably consider an occupation other than landscaper.

I agree that they shouldnt work where patrons are smoking.

"I'm allergic to smoke and can't wear a mask; will you please ban smoking in your pub while I'm working here?"

I dont think they worded it quite like that but yes that is the law in the UK.

I wss once literally the only person in the pub as everyone else including all the staff were outside in the rain smoking.

So 60 Minutes ran a piece on Sunday trashing Desantis. You may not like him but this story is why folks say "Fake News"

yeah. he took 100k in donations from publix and then publix got exclusive rights to the vaccine..

that's not fake news. that happened. he's just disputing that there was a connection between the obvious payoff and the reward.


people saying things like this are "fake news" are part of the problem with the right wing derposphere.

I'm not so sure on this one.

Trump, as he always does, had the impulse of something correct but then distorted it in such a way that it became meaningless after.

His impulse that people trusted news less I feel was correct. I felt myself that in the cable news era they too often emphasized aspects of stories to sensationalize and get views or clicks that were not fair and balances telling's of what they were reporting on.

Call it 'purposeful sensationalism'.

They also often crafted questions as gotcha questions to trap someone who was not really prepared (as often times those being spontaneously questioned are not) into answering with what they think is an innocuous 'yes or No' but where either answer can be taken for a sensational sound bite. This has lead many to be far more carful and to recraft the question to get away from the disingenuous question.

So to me 'fake news' was a thing and a growing thing, just not what Trump usually pointed at.

I think, based on what i see of this story, this is fake news. Very deliberately edited to get the sound bites. Deliberate exclusion of any 'other side' or 'balancing' material.

Was there a better equipped competitor? Sounds to me like a competitor would be suing right now.

so bribery is ok as long as the bribe is coming from the best choice?

what of the story is "Fake news", in your opinion?

did desantis get 100k in donations from Publix to his political action campaign in december? yes

was desantis choosing if and who would be an exclusive provider of the vaccine?- yes

did desantis choose the company that gave him 100k in donations within a month of those donations to be the exclusive purveyor of the vaccine?- yes


again these are things that actually happened. he's free to say that their hefty donation to his campaign right at the key moment in the decision process was just coincidence. but that doesn't make reporting the story "fake news"

Did you actually watch the answer that CBS edited? Democratic Mayors are defending him as well.
Politicians take donations. He was not the one that made the decision to give Publix the contract