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08-08-2020 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
GOP complaints about the protests are stupid and transparently self-serving, but I continue to believe that the bolded is a ridiculous argument. During the time the protests were in full swing in NYC, I didn't observe any reduction in people being out and about. And I don't know a single person in any city where there were significant protests who hid in their house or apartment because of the protests.

The only exception to the above is that curfews obviously affected nighttime behavior for a brief period in some cities.
You're welcome to review the original work yourself:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf
08-08-2020 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm not sure that I understand the question. Wookie is arguing that the protests were safe in part because they caused people to stay home. I am suggesting that the protests caused a material change in people being out and about only to the extent curfews were imposed because of the protests. The extent of protest-related curfews obviously varied by city, but very few cities had long-lasting protest curfews. And even before the curfews, indoor commercial activity (restaurants, bars, etc.) was greatly restricted or nonexistent in most cities that imposed short term curfews.

I agree with you about why the protests did not contribute much to the spread of the virus.
You answered my question thx.

Some cities just had curfews for covid, generally. City wide. So I was asking if that was what you were referring to (in which protests were not the cause) or if the protests were the cause.

You have said covid was the specific cause of those evening curfews, which to me means, at least in those areas, where protests were happening and curfews were in place, I could see that as a pretty significant impact on spread, beyond any spread the protests themselves might have had.

And since these protests generally took place in the poorer but more active areas of cities (downtowns, Main Streets, etc) I would again say, at least in those areas, that could be significant or a NET positive to spread overall.

Meaning less case spread in protests than might have occurred without a protest and those areas being open due to no protest curfews.
08-08-2020 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The politicization of the virus is terrible and the media bought right into this.
When you say media you mean conservative right wing media right?

Because there is no both sides **** with politicizing this virus from people in general or the media.
08-08-2020 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
A Mississippi town welcomed students back to school last week. Now 116 are home in quarantine.



SMUDGERRRRRRRRR

Also this seems really irresponsible, is there any kind of science behind this?



"Within 6 feet for 15 minutes or more"????

I know I am just a big dummy but seems pretty “hmm” that kids are apparently just sitting next together all day.
08-08-2020 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You're welcome to review the original work yourself:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf
Oh thx for that. I had not seen it.

I was more in the 'eh probably had some impact but not much or quantifiable' but this makes it pretty clear that there were tangible reductions of covid spread due to protests.
08-08-2020 , 11:30 AM
its been like what 6 months, and conservatives still dont understand anything about viruses. i think you could teach chimpanzees more in the same time period.
08-08-2020 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The left: I support your right to protest, I won't say how stupid this is (in fact most all of talked about how righteous they are).

The left: Trump, why are you holding an event in the middle of a Pandemic, don't you know people are dying?

The left: People who want to go to work and school are stupid, don't they know people are dying?
I love how you guys are both so thoughtless and racist that you can’t understand why protesting systemic racism that is causing people to be murdered by police is a more significant deal than a Jack off press conference at a golf club or demanding one’s right to eat hot wings. It is so very revealing as you all keep making the exact same stupid argument, even after it has been explained dozens of times.

So it is just hatred in your heart and thoughtlessness in your head.

It is like a five year old not comprehending the difference between waking your parents up because you saw a lady bug or because the house was on fire.
08-08-2020 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Those aren't for worthy public health causes that might justify the risk to those who attend, and they aren't generally disruptive enough to keep other people home to reduce the collective risk.
Seriously what is wrong with you Joe, ihiv and the rest of you who keep making this absolutely absurd argument over and over.
08-08-2020 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Oh thx for that. I had not seen it.

I was more in the 'eh probably had some impact but not much or quantifiable' but this makes it pretty clear that there were tangible reductions of covid spread due to protests.
....that could not be “fully explained” by curfews. Seems like the paper itself implicitly acknowledges that curfews were almost the entire basis for the reduction in spread.
08-08-2020 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Seriously what is wrong with you Joe, ihiv and the rest of you who keep making this absolutely absurd argument over and over.
it is pretty clear they know they have no arguments that are not specious and thus they resort to equating and equivating based on a false premise and just repeating it over and over.

It is all they have.
08-08-2020 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GodgersWOAT
....that could not be “fully explained” by curfews. Seems like the paper itself implicitly acknowledges that curfews were almost the entire basis for the reduction in spread.
Ya i agree it is not 100% but for me "... this makes it pretty clear that there were tangible reductions of covid spread due to protests", still stands.
08-08-2020 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
its been like what 6 months, and conservatives still dont understand anything about viruses. i think you could teach chimpanzees more in the same time period.
I'm learning (slowly). Let me see:

Mass gatherings are good (the larger the better). Small gatherings are bad.

Riots are good. Peaceful protests are bad.

Looting is good. Especially restaurants and bars.

How am I doing? Looking forward to more education from you geniuses in the future. Thanks for your patience.

Last edited by joe6pack; 08-08-2020 at 02:39 PM.
08-08-2020 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Seriously what is wrong with you Joe, ihiv and the rest of you who keep making this absolutely absurd argument over and over.
Yeah sorry, we were under the mistaken impression that there was a highly contagious pandemic going on. And that mass gatherings are bad in a pandemic. Obviously we are ******ed.
08-08-2020 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
I'm lying (usually). Let me see:

Mass gatherings are good (the larger the better). Small gatherings are bad.

Riots are good. Peaceful protests are bad.

Looting is good. Especially restaurants and bars.

How am I doing? Looking forward to more education from you geniuses in the future. Thanks for your patience.
FYP
08-08-2020 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
FYP
Really? You are the one who said the more disruptive a gathering is the lower the net risk of covid spread.

Were you lying?
08-08-2020 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
It's not so much that you approve or condone the protest, it's that the left wanted everything shut down except protest.
'Everything' shut down was actually a hell of a lot less than everything.
08-08-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Really? You are the one who said the more disruptive a gathering is the lower the net risk of covid spread.

Were you lying?
It's almost like there were more qualifiers in my statement than just mass gatherings, and also like there were more items on your list.
08-08-2020 , 11:13 PM
Georgia high school whose crowded hallway photo went viral (along with subsequent attempts to suspend students for publishing photos) reports 9 COVID cases in first week open

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Just days after a photo of crowded hallways at North Paulding High School went viral, parents were informed Saturday of nine confirmed cases of the coronavirus at the school.

Channel 2 Investigative Reporter Nicole Carr got a copy of the letter. Principal Gabe Carmona wrote that six students and three staff members who were in school last week have since reported positive tests for COVID-19.

The school district has not announced if students who were exposed will have to quarantine and have not given any notice about shutting down classrooms.
Spoiler:
SMUDGERRRRRRRRRRRR
08-09-2020 , 12:44 AM
How do people get test results so fast? It takes 3 weeks to get test results here.
08-09-2020 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
How do people get test results so fast? It takes 3 weeks to get test results here.
May I ask where you are located? A couple people I know recently just had tests done and they were told 2-7 days.
08-09-2020 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
I love how you guys are both so thoughtless and racist that you can’t understand why protesting systemic racism that is causing people to be murdered by police is a more significant deal than a Jack off press conference at a golf club or demanding one’s right to eat hot wings. It is so very revealing as you all keep making the exact same stupid argument, even after it has been explained dozens of times.

So it is just hatred in your heart and thoughtlessness in your head.

It is like a five year old not comprehending the difference between waking your parents up because you saw a lady bug or because the house was on fire.
You don't decide what's more significant, that's up to the individual. You and other peoples righteousness indignation is appalling due to the fact it's built upon a premise that the lefties get to decide what's significant, or not, i.e. you can protest, but you can't go to school.
08-09-2020 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
You're welcome to review the original work yourself:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf
I don't have the time, or candidly, the statistical chops, to review this in any sort of academic way. But if I am reading the study correctly (which I may not be), here are my quick observations:

--The study does not purport to test whether protest activity caused non-protesters to stay home, although the authors speculate that the protests could have had that effect.

--I don't know why the authors are measuring social mobility using median hours at home and median % of time spent at home rather than averages. Using medians rather than averages often is correct, but it isn't intuitive to me for this particular study. (There is probably some explanation that isn't occurring to me.)

--The effect of the protests on stay at home behavior was exceedingly modest. To the extent there was a downward trend, it is barely noticeable in the graphs. The effect was so modest that I doubt it was noticeable to the average person walking on the street.

--The trend seems to be largely, although not entirely, attributable to the curfews.

--A lot of the results were not statistically significant to a 95% confidence interval (which is the usual measure for academic work), especially after they controlled for curfews.

--Even if the very modest effects on social mobility described in the study had been known before the protests began, it would have not have been possible to draw a priori conclusions about the effect the protests would have on spread of the virus. That's because not all forms of social mobility carry equal risk of virus transmission. I'm sure the authors of the study would agree with this point.

--The effect of the protests on social mobility among non-protesters likely would have been even more muted had the protests occurred during a time when schools were open and in session.

--The study does not purport to measure, and could not measure, the effects that long-term protests would have on social mobility among non-protesters. Common sense suggests that, if the protests continued for a long time, any effect on social mobility among non-protesters would dissipate.

Last edited by Rococo; 08-09-2020 at 08:40 AM.
08-09-2020 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by allovaurface
May I ask where you are located? A couple people I know recently just had tests done and they were told 2-7 days.
11 days for me. But my daughter's results came back in three days, even though she took the test at the same time and in the same place as me. Hard to make sense of that.
08-09-2020 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
11 days for me. But my daughter's results came back in three days, even though she took the test at the same time and in the same place as me. Hard to make sense of that.
9-12 days last week in currently low positive rate western Massachusetts - I passed on testing & waiting, figuring that any other developing symptoms would manifest before the test results arrived which would lead to access to a more rapid test - but, my sore throat dissipated; for which I am thankful.

I'm a teacher. The day they tell me I'm going back into the classroom, I'm filling out my retirement papers. We're virtual through at least the 1st quarter.

Boston, about 105 miles east, is on some kind of Debbie Birks watch list - for whatever that's worth.
08-09-2020 , 12:19 PM
Here in Alberta you have two options. Make an appointment or just walk up.
My buddy just did a walk up and had to wait 75 minutes to get a throat swab and had his results in 3 days. He needed the test to visit his father in a seniors complex .

      
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