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12-04-2023 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
She isn't a giant in the world of psychiatry. People who do actual academic research (or can read it and translate it correctly to the masses) are the giants.

Dr. Oz is massively famous and is a doctor. He likes talking about homeopathy a lot. And he is a "giant" if by "giant" we mean, on TV a lot.

Dr. Berg is currently the most famous "giant" in nutrition. His nutrition advice borders on the insane.
Dr. Dre is pretty well known too.
12-04-2023 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I feel like if you really think this through, you’re smart enough to answer your own question.
You are sometimes a bit too generous in your opinions of others.

Don't change that, obviously. It works.

As always, I hope you are doing well.
12-04-2023 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
The university of penn athlete is a transgender woman. She went through all the **** necessary to swim in women's events. Cis men will not do that since it's not worth it at all. That's the point Ben accidentally makes with his comments.
The gentleman participated as a man for three straight seasons then, over one summer, completely transformed? I’m not a bitch so please stop trying to f’ck me like one.
12-04-2023 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
So have you changed your mind in the last few days, or are you not aware of what non-binary typically refers to in this context?
You do realize gender and expression are two different concepts?
12-04-2023 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Wtf kind of reference is that, lol.
Its a reference to adam and eve.
12-04-2023 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
The gentleman participated as a man for three straight seasons then, over one summer, completely transformed? I’m not a bitch so please stop trying to f’ck me like one.
You seem unwell.
12-04-2023 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
Its a reference to adam and eve.
You completely missed the point as usual.
12-04-2023 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
You completely missed the point as usual.
Red
12-04-2023 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Dr. Dre is pretty well known too.
Definitely a bigger giant than those I mentioned. Has he given his expert opinion on trans stuff?
12-04-2023 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
You do realize gender and expression are two different concepts?
I'm not really sure where you're going with this. You posted that "gender expression has multitudes of variations", and definitions of non-binary refer to a person's gender identity. I'm certainly not aware of a clear distinction between gender expression and gender identity that would take me to the conclusion that non-binary people don't exist.

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gen·der i·den·ti·ty
noun
a person's innate sense of their gender (chiefly used in contexts where it is contrasted with the sex registered for them at birth).
Non-binary seems like a very valid result here, and the person's DNA wouldn't change that.
12-04-2023 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
You seem unwell.
So, what I said is 100% factually correct. You cannot dispute that so you choose to attack me? You should be banned for that.

By the way, wiki for Leah Thomas refuses to state his real name. More proof to what I posted earlier.
12-04-2023 , 07:28 PM
I want to hear more about what the Bible says about gender identity.
12-04-2023 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I'm not really sure where you're going with this. You posted that "gender expression has multitudes of variations", and definitions of non-binary refer to a person's gender identity. I'm certainly not aware of a clear distinction between gender expression and gender identity that would take me to the conclusion that non-binary people don't exist.


Non-binary seems like a very valid result here, and the person's DNA wouldn't change that.
You made a comment that “trans” children reach an age where they should be mandated to no longer compete with their “identified” gender and matriculate into joining teams of their real biological gender. Multiple times you’ve been asked what that age is. You refuse to answer. As far as I’m concerned your comments do not matter until you answer that simple, direct question.
12-04-2023 , 07:31 PM
Gender identity makes baby jesus cry.
12-04-2023 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I want to hear more about what the Bible says about gender identity.
I was trolling with that. I’m actually an atheist.
12-04-2023 , 07:34 PM
Atheism definitely makes baby jesus cry.
12-04-2023 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
So, what I said is 100% factually correct. You cannot dispute that so you choose to attack me? You should be banned for that.

By the way, wiki for Leah Thomas refuses to state his real name. More proof to what I posted earlier.
You’re assuming I meant the anti trans content but I could have also meant the sexism in the comment or just a general observation that your posts come across as borderline hysterical. For instance, suggesting I should be banned because of your interpretation of what my post meant.
12-04-2023 , 07:45 PM
If you believe gender identity transcends the social, political, biological / neurological, then you have entered the religious domain. Your hands are dirty too.
12-04-2023 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
You made a comment that “trans” children reach an age where they should be mandated to no longer compete with their “identified” gender and matriculate into joining teams of their real biological gender. Multiple times you’ve been asked what that age is. You refuse to answer. As far as I’m concerned your comments do not matter until you answer that simple, direct question.
LOL, awesome. You're fine having a conversation until you don't have a response, so you then fall back on 'you didn't give me an answer I liked about a different issue so I won't talk about this one anymore'. Hopefully you at least learned something about non-binary people in our brief exchange.

Just to clarify our past conversation for others, that Meisner has not all that accurately summed up:

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
To be clear, I don't know that there are many, if any, who have argued in this forum that there should be no rules around transgender participation in high level competitive sport. Most of the debate I've seen here has been around when that should start - IE whether there are ages/skill levels where we don't worry about that.
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Originally Posted by Meisner
What age should it start? That makes zero sense. So, you’re going to allow a boy pretend to be a girl, make him think he’s a girl, etc and allow him to play sports with the girls until a predetermined age and then tell him what, “Jones on you. You’re not really a girl so you cannot play sports with the girls any longer. Ha ha!”
When I was a kid I played co-ed soccer and there was t-ball that was mixed, but then the different kids went on to play sports with just their own genders. If it’s not broken, why fix it?
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Rather than rehashing the same discussions that have been had many times, I'd suggest you have a look at this thread, and you might have some questions there:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...sport-1820816/
More than happy to continue the conversation there, where it's been had many times. But he won't get a specific age from me there either (although I have some thoughts I'd share as to a possible range), as I think it's going to depend on the sport, the school environment, and other factors, and best left to those directly involved to determine. People coming in from the outside and mandating that "X shalt not be allowed until age Y in all schools in our state" is where the problems start, rather than end.

The fact that this is a complicated discussion, and one that there is a dedicated thread for already, is why I don't want to bother getting into it in this thread.
12-04-2023 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
If you believe gender identity transcends the social, political, biological / neurological, then you have entered the religious domain. Your hands are dirty too.
Religion is a vestige of when humans were so primitive and ignorant that we thought fire came from "the gods". It doesn't "transcend" the world understanding of the average modern nine year old who just learnt that Santa isn't real, let alone all those other things you mentioned.
12-04-2023 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
LOL, awesome. You're fine having a conversation until you don't have a response, so you then fall back on 'you didn't give me an answer I liked about a different issue so I won't talk about this one anymore'. Hopefully you at least learned something about non-binary people in our brief exchange.

Just to clarify our past conversation for others, that Meisner has not all that accurately summed up:






More than happy to continue the conversation there, where it's been had many times. But he won't get a specific age from me there either (although I have some thoughts I'd share as to a possible range), as I think it's going to depend on the sport, the school environment, and other factors, and best left to those directly involved to determine. People coming in from the outside and mandating that "X shalt not be allowed until age Y in all schools in our state" is where the problems start, rather than end.

The fact that this is a complicated discussion, and one that there is a dedicated thread for already, is why I don't want to bother getting into it in this thread.
You advocate justifying a child’s imagination and saying, “You’re right Timmy. You are a girl. Oops, I’m sorry to dead name you.” And let that boy play girls sports. Then, at some predetermined age say to the child, “LOL. Just kidding. You’re actually a boy. Sorry about those hormones we gave you and the bottom surgery. Now you have to play soccer with the boys.”
What’s the age?
12-04-2023 , 07:57 PM
Who are the people here who believe that gender is a continuum?

The continuum is between being purely masculine and purely feminine or between what points? How can a person know where on the continuum they fall? Are there tests?
12-04-2023 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Religion is a vestige of when humans were so primitive and ignorant that we thought fire came from "the gods". It doesn't "transcend" the world understanding of the average modern nine year old who just learnt that Santa isn't real, let alone all those other things you mentioned.
Can gender identity transcend the social, political, biological / neurological?
12-04-2023 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
it's been long since hashed out that was a rhetorical phrase - i very clearly said under 10 not under 5 and never specified surgery

you're just a dipshit who is so afraid of being wrong you're insisting on semantics to try to squeak out a "victory" instead of conceding you were not properly educated on the issues

and everyone sees right through you as you'd earlier argued that it wasn't under 10 and you are the only one talking about surgery, so this is clearly just moving goal posts instead of moving forward and progressing

you're both a dipshit and a coward, congratulations
Seems to me that this just proves you can’t accurately use rhetorical phrases.

I don’t think anyone wants your type of progress here. Progress like “I wanna use the same pronouns as I am used to” rather than be told by a minority group which ones I can use. Or progress like “ it I want to save the children from themselves, their doctors and their parents cuz I know better.”

Write another diatribe about your thoughts so we can critique and laugh….mostly laugh at how stupid your thoughts are.

The three closet republicans all bitching about banning people the same day.. there must have been a Fox News story about how the right should push censorship on the tv today.
12-04-2023 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
Can gender identity transcend the social, political, biological / neurological?
No idea, I know jack **** about this subject and I try to not opine on topics I don't know anything about. Pretty confident that if it can, though, that has nothing to do with the cancerous polyp on the ass of humanity that is religion.

      
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