more semantics

why don't you point out where i said surgeries were being performed on kids under 5

can you please just ban jjj as well now that you're entering purge mode - contributes nothing and only tries to score points - he's the exact reason these threads become aids and why they do not remain civil discussions

Transgender people don’t change their sex. They are born with an innate sense of their own gender. Just as people are born gay or straight. Transgender people aren’t mentally ill , that’s you.

Every few months 57 on red says the same thing. Each time a bunch of people respond with tonnes and tonnes of much higher sample size studies than 27 (here's a first google result with 6.6 million cohort study https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...tm_term=062723). And then he goes away under a rock for a while and repeats.

Your commitment to this particular brand of anti-trans disinformation is remarkable.

Gender has been around since the beginning of history.
Transgender people have been around since the beginning of history. Lesbians, gays, bisexuals - they’ve all been around since the beginning of history.

All of those things existed in prehistorical times as well.

Just because you want to make believe gender doesn’t exist doesn’t make it so.

the scale of human sex from male to female, sure it has two exact poles of male or female rather than a triforce model between intersex, male, or female. But, intersex people are real, sex isn’t entire binary and those two poles aren’t immutable or completely determined by your genitalia.

Before the Dinosaurs?

What is this exactly? Are only trans people born like this or is everyone born with this innate sense?

And if people do actually have this "innate sense", why isn't it something that can be affected by traumatic brain injury?

It’s something very powerful that we have observed and people feel that we don’t fully understand but is obviously real. For example if you take a typical straight handsome man and you start injecting estrogen into him, dressing him like a girl, and forcing him to behave and meet the social expectations of being a woman , he will also have gender dysphoria, because he(falsely labeled a she) is in the wrong gender. This is what conservatives are doing to transgender people, torturing them and locking them into the wrong gender.

We don’t fully know how attraction works. Everyone knows how it feels; your heart skips a beat, your brain releases dopamine and you develop a deep attraction to someone, and you also get sexually aroused. No one knows why that happens to me when im around guys on a specific genomic level exactly. But they also don’t know at that same level of specificity why that happens to straight guys when they around women.

does having a brain injury change your height?

Your position is that gender is so fundamental to humans that it's akin to some physical property like height?

Do you believe that one day we'll find a genetic basis for it?

Here is the exchange where you relate the people being protected from the surgerical procedures can’t dress themselves. This is commonly attributed to skill obtained by 4-5 year olds. You picked the erroneous time frame, no one else.

my position is that gender is a social construct.

And how people fit into that social construct is based on many things. Those things are real.

Cry, cry cry, for moderation when you don’t like people pointing out your lousy opinions lack validity.

I question whether a policy like this makes sense. First off, you create a certain amount of resentment and division. Perhaps if that was actually going to move things forward, the net result would still be a positive, but I wonder if it really does. There could be non-binary people who will feel empowered to share their pronouns when they otherwise wouldn't, but there could also be some that are still on a journey, and this forces them to choose a box they're not ready for yet. Obviously I have zero lived experience so maybe I'm off base here, but it seems to me there's a definite possibility of unintended consequences.

It can be innate, or it can be a social construct, but it cannot be both.

Bobo, unintended consequences is the primary foundational pillar of woke politics.

Nobody thinks more than twelve seconds into the future because it is just about how someone feels in the moment.

gender is a social construct. being transgender is innate.

This man in your example experiences gender dysphoria because his male identity is strong.

Gender identity can be weak for some and strong for others. Gender identity can be weak at one time and strong at another time for the same person.

A typical, straight female can have a weak gender identity, still identify as female, but through social / political influence have a transgender identity imposed on her, even if indirectly and subtly. Then, due to a strong political identity, the transgender identity becomes strengthened to the point that this person insists the male gender identity was always who they were supposed to be. This is also real.

This is a religious claim just so you know. It is claiming that the typical transgender person has access to an objective, platonic realm where their true gender can be accessed beyond the influences of imposed identity.

It is no wonder that someone who identifies as transgender will be revered like a prophet by those who believe this is reality.

This line of attack has always seemed to have a clear undercurrent of sexism.

Weren't you the one who came up with the example of us looking back on this with shame like we should the caste system?

What you just said is the equivalent of saying, "The caste system is a social construct. Being a shudra is innate."

You cannot have it both ways.

Care to show your work for the class?

How can a person be born with an innate sense that they have been given the wrong gender before they have been socialized into one?

https://www.threads.net/@aridrennen/post/C0cY9iNqc-p

Funny clip of shapiro basically admitting that actually pretending to be a woman if you're not trans so you can play sports is not something people will actually do.