You are forgetting or don’t know what a social construct is. For example, Race is a social construct. The difference between “white people” and “black people” is a socially constructed one. under the socially constructed system we have in America, someone can be a black woman or a black man.

There is a lived experience for people thought of as black.
Just because it is a social construction, doesn’t mean there aren’t innate characteristics that someone is born with that make someone considered black , or that they aren’t really black.

Going into what insoo is saying, yes! ultimately I want to abolish gender just as ultimately I want to abolish race!

But that’s going to take a looooooong time. And it doesn’t change the real history of race relations and gender relations. In the mean time, I think we should encourage fairness and racial equality and not discriminate.

So to recap,

1. Gender is real and a social construction
2. Transgender people are real and awesome
3. We should abolish gender.

Hope this helps. See ya later bird brains.

One theory on why we're seeing a surge in young girls believing they are male is that autistic people are vulnerable to this belief.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/15/11493...20intersection.


Sorry for the sloppy link.

Autism is more common in men. It's sort of a hyper-masculine way of being, going by traditional cliches. For example, lower emotional intelligence.

Transgenderism is added to the mix and a young person comes to believe they are actually a male trapped in the wrong body because they have a low EQ, are overly logical, etc.

Also, there are huge sums of money to be made if a person is convinced that they are trans. That can always create a bias. Ask a scientist who works for Exxon what they think of climate change.

Seems pretty obvious. You’re saying the woke are ruled by feelings. That’s the facts not feeling meme, right? The woke consist of women, who’ve long been subject to that line of criticism and dismissal, that they’re overly emotional and can’t think rationally. Then there’s everyone else on the left characterized as some degree of effeminate or “soyboys”. Not real manly men anyway. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that conservatives cast liberals as weak and effeminate and also think they’re emotional and not rational.

When you say gender is real, I hear you saying that reality transcends the social and gender (male / female) exists in that transcendent reality. This is a religious claim and one that I agree with.

Then, you want to abolish gender? You want to try to abolish an aspect of reality?

I’m sorry, but people who say things like, “A woman can have a penis” or “A man can have a vagina” or magazines that declare a man woman of the year or put a picture of a pregnant woman on the cover wearing a suit and tie and say a man can get pregnant are most definitely mentally ill.

Even the Bible states there are two genders.

Sex is binary. Intersex is not a third sex. Intersex people are either male or female. They simply have a disorder that affects their phenotype. They still have either XX or XY chromosomes.

What verse ? Maybe Genesis God created a man and woman

it's been long since hashed out that was a rhetorical phrase - i very clearly said under 10 not under 5 and never specified surgery

you're just a dipshit who is so afraid of being wrong you're insisting on semantics to try to squeak out a "victory" instead of conceding you were not properly educated on the issues

and everyone sees right through you as you'd earlier argued that it wasn't under 10 and you are the only one talking about surgery, so this is clearly just moving goal posts instead of moving forward and progressing

you're both a dipshit and a coward, congratulations

There is no such thing, however, as a non binary person. I promise you if you check their DNA they will either be male or female. That’s it. Only those two options.

I present to you Shaun Deeb in WSOP ladies event. Or that dude in Florida recently. That swimmer at U Penn. list goes on and on.

Are you actually citing the bible as some sort of persuasive authority on... anything? I did suspect you to be a chronically unserious person.

Wtf kind of reference is that, lol.

So. There are no genetic differences between races. You see a lot of whites getting sickle cell do you? Lot of non Jews got that there tay sachs?
Are you saying that thiazide diuretics are equally as effective at lowering blood pressure in blacks and whites?

I really should be going, but the bolded is an AMAZING word choice.

hahahahqhahaha

The university of penn athlete is a transgender woman. She went through all the **** necessary to swim in women's events. Cis men will not do that since it's not worth it at all. That's the point Ben accidentally makes with his comments.

I feel like if you really think this through, you’re smart enough to answer your own question.

What?

Before we can make progress in this debate, I think we need to establish what Noah thought about all this. I reckon he was against, but for pragmatic reasons more than anything else - only room for 2 of each on his boat.

Not to derail too much, but it is a common religious idea that all become one, or that oneness is the ultimate reality. At the same time, duality is real. It is tricky to be able to hold both aspects of reality and resist the desire to skip straight to the end of the story.

Race is not a central part of the religious story but gender is central.

Craig, you seem pretty knowledgeable on the topic - can we get a ruling as to what Noah thinks?

So have you changed your mind in the last few days, or are you not aware of what non-binary typically refers to in this context?

She isn't a giant in the world of psychiatry. People who do actual academic research (or can read it and translate it correctly to the masses) are the giants.

Dr. Oz is massively famous and is a doctor. He likes talking about homeopathy a lot. And he is a "giant" if by "giant" we mean, on TV a lot.

Dr. Berg is currently the most famous "giant" in nutrition. His nutrition advice borders on the insane.

You're letting your biases affect your thinking if you really believe this is somehow limited to one end of the political spectrum.