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12-03-2023 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I just looked up Elliott Page, Kaitlin Jenner, Chelsea Manning, and Chaz Bono because they were the first four names that came to mind. In each case, the article referenced the person's birth name.
Why do conservative posters here lie about things that are so easy to verify? This seems to be a trait that is exclusive to right wing posters.
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12-03-2023 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Why do conservative posters here lie about things that are so easy to verify? This seems to be a trait that is exclusive to right wing posters.
I googled them as well and the first post did not reference their birth names but as I scrolled down Wikipedia gave their birth names . So your both correct
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12-03-2023 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I’ll ask this again

Why do we have age requirements for someone to
Get a tattoo
Vote
Join the military
Have sex
Drink


So why should we allow anyone under the age of 18 make a life altering choice ?

You will not get an honest answer to this because there isn’t one that makes sense. Logic and common sense is the kryptonite to any pro trans argument
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12-03-2023 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I’ll ask this again

Why do we have age requirements for someone to
Get a tattoo
Vote
Join the military
Have sex
Drink


So why should we allow anyone under the age of 18 make a life altering choice ?
We don't. I don't know if any state in the US or country allows minors to make the decision on their own about taking hormones or getting transgender surgery, but I know that in my jurisdiction (NJ) they can't. What we do allow is for parents to consent to various things for their minor children, such as tattoos, piercings, cosmetic surgery, and transgender care. It is ultimately and legally the parents' decision.
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12-03-2023 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Yes, she seems like a transphobe based on 30 seconds of googling. I've never heard of her before. None of her work made it into any the training I have ever had.

Do you bring her up to somehow dispute that the vast majority of psychiatrists disagree with her?



Nobody is advocating doing such procedures to children that young. So, why would there be anyone pushing against this?
How the hell can you criticize one of the most respected psychiatrists in history, yet you’re not even familiar with her work?
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12-03-2023 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I just looked up Elliott Page, Kaitlin Jenner, Chelsea Manning, and Chaz Bono because they were the first four names that came to mind. In each case, the article referenced the person's birth name.
Look up Rachel Levine.
Buck Angel.
Nikkie De Jager
Kylie Sonique
Amy Schneider
Carmen Carrera

I can keep going if you need.
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12-03-2023 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
We don't. I don't know if any state in the US or country allows minors to make the decision on their own about taking hormones or getting transgender surgery, but I know that in my jurisdiction (NJ) they can't. What we do allow is for parents to consent to various things for their minor children, such as tattoos, piercings, cosmetic surgery, and transgender care. It is ultimately and legally the parents' decision.
I don’t think any state allows a parent to sign a waiver to
Drink
Underage sex
Tattoo
Vote
Join the military I am not sure on
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12-03-2023 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wsopfinaltable
You will not get an honest answer to this because there isn’t one that makes sense. Logic and common sense is the kryptonite to any pro trans argument
I live this man. He makes my points more eloquently than I ever could.
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12-03-2023 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
How the hell can you criticize one of the most respected psychiatrists in history, yet you’re not even familiar with her work?
Most respected by the fake internists of America or by a psychiatrist association?
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12-03-2023 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
I live this man. He makes my points more eloquently than I ever could.
Speaks volumes about your eloquence.
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12-03-2023 , 06:02 PM

Posted earlier in this thread. Another thing you’ll never get an honest answer from “them” on.
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12-03-2023 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
I live this man. He makes my points more eloquently than I ever could.
Yes, he does.
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12-03-2023 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman

Nobody is advocating doing such procedures to children that young. So, why would there be anyone pushing against this?
wow you’re so patient
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12-03-2023 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Most respected by the fake internists of America or by a psychiatrist association?
Yeah. I’m fake. You got me.
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12-03-2023 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
How the hell can you criticize one of the most respected psychiatrists in history, yet you’re not even familiar with her work?
She is far from the most respected psychiatrist in history. You can't just make up titles like that and expect us to go along with it.

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Originally Posted by lozen
I don’t think any state allows a parent to sign a waiver to
Drink
Underage sex
Tattoo
Vote
Join the military I am not sure on
Kids are absolutely allowed, legally, to have sex without parental consent -- the age of the child and the other person do matter, though.

Tattoos and piercings vary by state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_..._United_States
Some have no lower age limit (with parental consent), others put it at 14, 16, or 18.

Parents sign off on all medical procedures and medications for their minor children already. The kids wouldn't be allowed to do any of that on their own (outside certain circumstances -- in NJ, minors can consent on their own to medical care for pregnancy, other sex-related things, and substance use disorders).
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12-03-2023 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
She is far from the most respected psychiatrist in history. You can't just make up titles like that and expect us to go along with it.
Although, given all the other titles he is making up here, this one is pretty minor.
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12-03-2023 , 07:03 PM
Plenty of respected psychologists out there but no lay person knows the names of any psychiatrists.
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12-03-2023 , 07:05 PM
I'm worried the movie is going to be hilarious to watch but the surprise ending is going to teach me I'm actually just a bigot.
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12-03-2023 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Don't know what "this" is referring to.

You and yours are complaining about pronoun usage, Wikipedia names, changing information on drivers licenses, trans athletes in high school and college (my beef too) and adult men using woman's bathroom. None of these issues have anything to do with "children too young to even dress themselves." So, who is the liar here?
you were intentionally deceptive in your language and now lashing out like a child (very appropriately i may add) when called out on it
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12-03-2023 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Nobody is advocating doing such procedures to children that young. So, why would there be anyone pushing against this?
mayo clinic

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20459075

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12-03-2023 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
Owned
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12-03-2023 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
10 year olds are too young to dress themselves??
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12-03-2023 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll

people are trying to make it illegal to perform those procedures on children too young to even dress themselves for school
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Hardly owned, unless you are using it as some type of medical term no one else understands..

They are usually twice as old as rickroll initially claimed.

Your lies seem to feed off each other.
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12-03-2023 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
10 year olds are too young to dress themselves??
They can dress themselves, but their frontal lobes are nowhere near developed to make such life altering decisions.
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12-03-2023 , 07:52 PM
congrats guys, caught in a lie and just lean into semantics instead of acknowledging your bullshit
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