But remember you don't actually read journal articles.

Ol' Meisner about to head to the break room and ask someone to write him a scrip for blood pressure medication.

Everyone glossed over the fact that Gangstaman gave the "technically correct" explanation as to why being trans isn't a mental illness. It's because such a diagnosis requires impaired functioning, and wanting to outwardly display as the opposite gender doesn't technically count as impairing your function as a human being... until it does, and then you get slapped with a gender dysphoria diagnosis.

Sort of like how Kleenex™ or Velcro™ are very specific things, but everyone knows what you're talking about if you ask for either product, regardless of who manufactured it.

But you’re saying a child the same age as cheetah boy can decide what sex it is.

When did believing something that is not true, ie a delusion, stop becoming a problem?

you really do a great job going out of your way ensuring nobody will like you

So, I should be more concerned about the opinions of strangers in an Internet forum? I should adjust my feelings of self worth based on that?

I thought we were talking about what kids say or what people put in their dating app profiles.

you're doing a great job making my point

i'm one of the few people here who actually agrees with some of your points, who defended you with the doctor stuff saying it was baseless to call you out on that simply on the fact they didn't like what you said, basically the only person in the thread who hasn't insulted you once

and then you start calling my nephew cheetah boy out of what was clearly a light-hearted illustration for absolutely no reason whatsoever because you're just a twat

i truly hope for your sake this is all some schtick of yours as a troll but am deeply concerned you're just some lost cause incel posting from his grandmother's basement lashing out at the world to overcome his own insecurities of his own failings (hence why you're first a prestigious and highly trained actor and now an accomplished doctor to boot)

I'm with you on this whole thing, but I've been here long enough to know it's not a winnable argument. You're being more sticky and aggressive on this than I would be, and I'm honestly kinda surprised you haven't already been temp-banned.

Gangstaman is hanging his professional hat on a technicality here, which is where I was going with the Velcro analogy. Not fitting the textbook definition of a mental illness isn't going to change the reality of the situation.

If a grown man wants some fake tits and eyeshadow to make themselves feel better, they're not really hurting anyone. I don't think that's a problem society itself needs to address. It's the "what comes next" that has put all of this into the limelight. Letting highly impressionable children make life-altering medical decisions without them having the life experience to guide it. Dudes in the women's locker room. Dudes beating up women in women's sports, etc.

Personally, I find all of this maddening because the very concept of being trans as it manifests in pop culture today flies in the face of the gender equity the feminists have been pushing for for decades.

You've been conflating sex and gender. They don't really believe that sex can be changed. They believe that gender is psychological construct that filters our experience of the world, and that in some people this construct is incongruent with their sex. And so when people go through "gender affirming care", they aren't actually changing their sex or their "gender", but rather changing their body so that it more closely matches their mental view of themselves.

Yeah. No one is arguing about the basics of reproductive anatomy here.

Boy who likes to play with dolls in the..

1950s: beat him up
1970s: who cares, why not allow boys to play with dolls
2020s: get that kid some estrogen

Did you grow up in the 70s?

80s.

You’re absolutely correct. You have been nothing but civil and respectful.
I apologize for referring to your nephew as cheetah boy. That was insensitive to me and you have every right to be offended by that. I meant no offense to you nor to your nephew. I was attempting to illustrate that if a child is capable of believing himself to be a prairie feline then perhaps that child is not yet in a place where he or she’s can choose what sex he or she would like to be.
Again, I apologize to you and your nephew.

Why would I be temp-banned? For having an opinion and providing logical reasons for it? That seems harsh.
If a man wants to get himself a set of bolt-ons, a man-made vagina, call himself Susan, he’s free to do whatever he wants to. And if that makes Jim’s happy, I support him. Good for him. My only objection is taking the step to say he’s now a woman. He’s not. He never will be. He cannot.

You clearly are a reasonable person and well thought out and I’m sure you believe what you just posted, but I disagree with you. The pro-trans crowd are the ones conflating sex and gender. There are effeminate men and masculine women and lots in between. I agree. Gender expression varies widely. But when you change permanent records like drivers license, electronic medical records, etc from M to F or vice versa, that is conflating sex and gender. And it can be dangerous. There are screenings that and sex based.

You're not approaching this with enough feeling and emotion.

It's not about what the letters on the medical chart represent, or whether or not pronouns have any meaning any more, it's about how those things make them feel.

As you've already stated, this is purely a mental affliction for those who suffer from it, and it's up to the rest of us to just fit their snowflake-shaped peg into society's practical, square hole. We're all a bunch of squares, and they're enlightened and free from the close-minded norms of puritanical society.

This is why the people who argue most with you on this don't want to talk about the nuts and bolts of how to operate a genderless society, they just want to point out that you're a bigot and are simply unwilling to treat trans people as human beings deserving of respect. Cancer screenings and competitive fairness be damned. I feel pretty today!

All of these worries certainly seem to be beyond your expertise. I have no problem with the law enforcement upper management and state health officials make these decisions rather than leaving them to the police patrolmen and, low level actors, er doctors.

I like this guy

Have I personally attacked you? No. So why attack me? Is it because you feel threatened by me challenging your woke ass beliefs?

And you’re cool with law enforcement deciding people’s sex? You’re lost.

haha yeah, **** people's feelings

I’m having trouble reading this thread at the moment. How old are cheetah boys?

could it be that in addition to ganstaman being “technically correct” he is also morally correct?

could it be that jjlou isn’t attacking meisner, but rather encouraging him to learn more about the issues so he doesn’t make jjlous views look bad?

Maybe I should read a book on how to read threads better.

Since when is suppressing a child’s natural development morally superior?

This guy gets it