I feel like not using the tragic death of a non-binary person to score internet victory points with inane speculations about that the *real* reason they committed suicide is because of evil lefties is a pretty low bar to pass, not some high mark of nobility.

Why did you use binary pronouns to describe someone that two words later you described as non-binary?

Ah yes the fake trans menace again. How original.

Because we don't buy radical leftist semantics.

If someone is confused (non binary) that's not another gender or a spectrum. Everyone is exclusively either man or woman, male or female.

If confused and you want to respect, you use he/she.

None of this makes any sense except for those seeing really dumb doctors who shouldn't be practicing. Imagine an individual who has symptoms severe enough to diagnose some depression or anxiety disorder. If that individual is trans or not, it doesn't at all influence whether their symptoms meet the criteria for that mental health condition. Perhaps you'd consider a diagnosis of gender dysphoria instead, but that's the only change that would be made.

As someone who is a mental health professional and who works with many other such people daily, I find the idea that a mental health professional would downplay psychopathology in someone because they're trans just absurd. This profession skews left, so if anything wouldn't we be prone to over-treating such individuals?

Radical leftism structurally always does the max damage to the groups it purportedly tries to help, starting with racial minorities.

It's not strange to see trans people being directly killed causally because of the trans activist movement. That's what radical leftism does regularly. When they start caring about the poor's, the poor's suffer horribly. When they start caring about women, women rights disappear. When they start caring about racial minorities, blacks and latinos in the USA die more because of them ("defund the police").

And so on.

It's like a rule, everything the radical left touches gets massacred, radical leftists hands are covered in blood

If it's depression, gender identity doesn't matter much.

What about schizophrenia? Various behavioral disorders?

If you can't use gender identification as one of the severe symptoms of something being really wrong with that kid, because pseudo religious thinking forces you violently to NEVER doubt teenagers self identifications, never use that as a signal something might be wrong, you are very limited as a treating physician.

What if self identifying as trans in this society is a cry for help? No, that's impossible, we have to take 100% of the self identifications as simply the expression of true gender identity, no matter how inconsistent with the rest of the clinical picture that might be.

every teenage suicide (or murder) is tragic. do you not debate any of those?

as for your second question, i really don't have a good answer. i can comprehend a man saying he is actually a woman or vice versa but i can't comprehend someone saying they are neither. im not trying to be difficult, just more or less saying it's a habit to refer to someone as he/she. should i say they? i guess that's probably right.

more or less i am on board with an adult saying they are a gender different than what shows in their underoos but when they say they are neither its a lot harder to take them seriously as i think nearly every species on the planet is divided amongst male or female.

When describing people, how do you differentiate between someone who is trans in their head but hasn't changed anything, versus someone who changes their appearance, name, etc.?

If a normal hetero white boy kills himself they don't give a ****. That's reality. Many of them (not saying that's true for forum posters but certainly for many radical leftists) would actually be happy because one less privileged oppressor is around in society.

That's how they talk, that's how they act, that's how they live.

hrm. so you are either trans or not in a binary sense?

Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful.

This is just really nonsensical to anyone who's ever worked with a patient in a mental health setting. There's nothing about what you wrote that actually matches how evaluations take place.

Why? I mean, you made up some nonsense about me suggesting "you are supposed to always defer to [experts'] decision or you are a fascist.", and when I pointed that out, I got nothing but crickets.

What's the nonsense? I might not have been correct in saying you said or implied that, but certainly that's a very strong position of many people on the left.

Anyway about Nex death, some psycho people claimed that any attempt to deny the obviously ridiculous narrative that wanted to imply the bathroom use legislation caused that death, was akin to justify that death jfc

Except that's literally what experts say happened at tavistock

That's the nonsense, of course. And there is no "might not" involved.

You said experts opinions are basically always to be prefered to democratic preferences.

That's such an antidemocratic stance that basically destroys every notion of voters having a right to decide about outcomes in society, that the only normal way to frame that is a deep hatred for the demos , because trusting the people would bring about fascism (which is the basic dictatorship of the majority)

LOL, amazing. You probably should've just stuck with ignoring me. Are you actually trying to use this inaccuracy-filled pretzel reasoning to carry on with the idea that I suggested people are fascists for not listening to experts? That's...quite something.

It seems like Gender Queer has really had an impact on you. Ever since that discussion started, your posting has been more and more full of nonsense like this.

That's misleading. The Tavistock Clinic existed to address gender issues, so that really was all they were looking for. Because they were so overwhelmed, they seemed to stop the evaluation at that point and missed other issues that warranted referrals. They also seemed to attribute some symptoms to distress from gender identity instead of distress from other disorders.

What didn't happen, as far as I can tell and wouldn't make sense, is what you suggested: a clinician felt a patient didn't meet criteria for disorder X but would have given the diagnosis X had they felt the patient was wrong about their stated trans identity. Literally no one is missing out on a diagnosis of schizophrenia, as you suggest, due to a clinician accepting a patient's gender identity instead of considering it a symptom itself.

But would you accept that a patient's presenting with a trans identity could potentially be a sign of another issue? For example, being a victim of abuse, being caught up in a social contagion, struggling with homosexual feelings that are not accepted by their family, and so on?

What a wild fantasy you have created for yourself

Btw, everything isn't "left" and "right". I'm sure it helps simplify things down to "extreme leftist" and what not. Treating other humans like humans isn't intrinsically a leftist ideal.

Iirc this question has been asked to gangsta at various points and I don't think he's ever answered it... Maybe I'm wrong there.

Yes.

You have this exactly wrong.

First time for everything.

First AND second...in the same post!