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09-20-2023 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
When asked how democracy was at risk on 1/6 you responded with:



While not technically the end of a country I think most people would consider overturning an election so someone could stay in power a fundamental change in a country large enough to say it is a completely different country at that moment.

The point that you are still ducking is that in no way was there any real chance that a few hundred knuckleheads were overthrowing the most powerful country in the world... especially without fighter jets and aircraft carriers.

Apparently they just needed Pence to be on board. Trump had a plan, but it didn't involve putting someone loyal to him as VP.
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09-20-2023 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
-Obama said that one of the first things he would do was legislate so that abortion was legal.
-RBG could have retired
-Dems could expand the court
You know we have 50 states with their own laws, yes? So there are more things going on than the 18 months the democrats controlled the federal government in 2009/10.

You have to keep paying attention to things even after 2010 if you want to know what's happening. I think it would be good for you to read about abortion laws, both outlawing and legalizing, post Dobbs.

I think that would be good homework for you, my student.
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09-20-2023 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Just a few easy ones: Not raising minimum wage, cutting taxes on individuals, cutting taxes on corporations, reducing the power of unions who are designed to create a barrier for entry into many occupations, reducing the price of energy costs (which disproportionately hurt the poor), tried there best to minimize the Dems fight to shut down the economy, fought to slow the rate at which we were printing money after covid (it was 3x the normal rate for a full 2 years post covid) and fought dems on handing out money during coivd as well as after '08.
So keeping wages down to help poor people? That really does not seem like it works at all. That mostly sounds very counterintuitive.


Would this tax cuts be focused on lower income people while raising the taxes on the wealthy?
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09-20-2023 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Just a few easy ones: Not raising minimum wage, cutting taxes on individuals, cutting taxes on corporations, reducing the power of unions who are designed to create a barrier for entry into many occupations, reducing the price of energy costs (which disproportionately hurt the poor), tried there best to minimize the Dems fight to shut down the economy, fought to slow the rate at which we were printing money after covid (it was 3x the normal rate for a full 2 years post covid) and fought dems on handing out money during coivd as well as after '08.
This been done for 40 years + baham .
And more vigorously in Republican states !
So why the results end up to be all the poorest states are republicans ?

I guess your lack of success of your policies is just bad luck over such a long period ?
So I ask u baham , is there any limit of time where you would accept you are wrong ?
Would you change your mind after 100 years since 40 years isn’t enough for you ?

Is there any empirical evidences or time frame you would agree upon that this would be proof you are wrong ?
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09-20-2023 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
Why would it not be important now?
So, no answer then?
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09-20-2023 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
So, no answer then?
You go first. I'm on the button
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09-20-2023 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Apparently they just needed Pence to be on board. Trump had a plan, but it didn't involve putting someone loyal to him as VP.
What was Trump's plan?
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09-20-2023 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wreckem713
You go first. I'm on the button
Ah, just trolling and not really interested in actual discussion. Guess I should have known.
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09-20-2023 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
So keeping wages down to help poor people? That really does not seem like it works at all. That mostly sounds very counterintuitive.


Would this tax cuts be focused on lower income people while raising the taxes on the wealthy?
if we did everything the opposite of whatever bahbah thinks is good, we'd probably end up with a pretty utopian society. he's like the jim cramer of politics posting.
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09-20-2023 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
You know we have 50 states with their own laws, yes? So there are more things going on than the 18 months the democrats controlled the federal government in 2009/10.

You have to keep paying attention to things even after 2010 if you want to know what's happening. I think it would be good for you to read about abortion laws, both outlawing and legalizing, post Dobbs.

I think that would be good homework for you, my student.
Yes and while were assigning homework Why dont you look up Universal health care in California and Gavin Newsom . Ill refresh your memory he campaigned on it and promised it and had the super majority to get it done but guess what or whom Gavin got bought out by
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09-20-2023 , 04:42 PM
I do agree california has failed to deliver on many of their large promises. High speed rail can be added to that list as well.

Universal healthcare is wildly expensive, so they should have been more honest with people about how hard it would be to enact something like that.
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09-20-2023 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
I do agree california has failed to deliver on many of their large promises. High speed rail can be added to that list as well.
airplane companies and Elon will never allow highspeed rail to become a thing in this country. even in the places where highspeed rail makes absolute sense like texas, Southwest owns all the politicians and it would absolutely destroy their business.
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09-20-2023 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Ah, just trolling and not really interested in actual discussion. Guess I should have known.
Good fold. I had it
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09-20-2023 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
So keeping wages down to help poor people? That really does not seem like it works at all. That mostly sounds very counterintuitive.

Would this tax cuts be focused on lower income people while raising the taxes on the wealthy?
Artificially inflating the minimum wage gives a few people a pay bump while putting many more out of work. It also increases the cost of nearly every single product and service money can buy which tends to hurt poor people.

Because the rich pay so much more in taxes than the poor it is difficult to have a meaningful tax cut without helping the rich. However, doubling the standard deduction (as the trump tax cut did) helped the poor quite a bit. Also, cutting taxes on the rich means less money to the government and more money in the economy unless you are one of those nuts that thinks taking money away from the most productive members of our society to give to those who are less productive is a net positive long-term.
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09-20-2023 , 05:26 PM
https://bigthink.com/the-present/mcd...-drivethru-ai/

Raise the min. wage and the businesses will invest in replacing workers
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09-20-2023 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Artificially inflating the minimum wage gives a few people a pay bump while putting many more out of work. It also increases the cost of nearly every single product and service money can buy which tends to hurt poor people.

Because the rich pay so much more in taxes than the poor it is difficult to have a meaningful tax cut without helping the rich. However, doubling the standard deduction (as the trump tax cut did) helped the poor quite a bit. Also, cutting taxes on the rich means less money to the government and more money in the economy unless you are one of those nuts that thinks taking money away from the most productive members of our society to give to those who are less productive is a net positive long-term.
The studies I have seen seem to indicate that raising min wage does not impact unemployment.

It's not hard at all. Just don't provide tax cuts to rich people. If anything, raise taxes on them. We know trickle down economics is a scam.

Working class people are the most productive, not the wealthy. Come on.
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09-20-2023 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
You know we have 50 states with their own laws, yes? So there are more things going on than the 18 months the democrats controlled the federal government in 2009/10.

You have to keep paying attention to things even after 2010 if you want to know what's happening. I think it would be good for you to read about abortion laws, both outlawing and legalizing, post Dobbs.

I think that would be good homework for you, my student.
none of that changes the fact that Dems refused to do the things necessary to protect abortion.
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09-20-2023 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by caseIIclosed
The studies I have seen seem to indicate that raising min wage does not impact unemployment.

It's not hard at all. Just don't provide tax cuts to rich people. If anything, raise taxes on them. We know trickle down economics is a scam.

Working class people are the most productive, not the wealthy. Come on.
Studies and facts do not matter for baham and its cohort .
And even worst they just can’t provide any studies that what they say it’s true !

It’s all about the narrative of what they want to be true instead of what it is true .
Hence u end up with the classification of the reality of what works and what’s not which republicans OWN ( not dominate but literally owns ) the bottomless of income in the US .
Republicans policies end up much poorer than other policies they are against of.
I guess they still didn’t eat ***** enough to pursue bad policies to this day , shrug .
At one point a light bulb might lighten up .
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09-20-2023 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
none of that changes the fact that Dems refused to do the things necessary to protect abortion.
They did not have the votes. Too many conservative Democrats. They accomplished a lot of good during that season tho. So there is that.

Thankfully we don't have to rely on a Congress from 13 years ago for our analysis. We can look at more actions since then.
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09-20-2023 , 07:55 PM
When they allowed Roe to be overturned? Could a stacked the court.

They. Don't. Care
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09-20-2023 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
When they allowed Roe to be overturned? Could a stacked the court.

They. Don't. Care
I know that you care a lot more about rhetoric than reality, but how exactly could Democrats have stacked the Supreme Court?
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09-20-2023 , 08:33 PM
Remind me what the True Leftists are doing to protect abortion rights in Ohio? Because all I see are the uncaring shitlib Dems getting the job done.
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09-20-2023 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
Studies and facts do not matter for baham and its cohort .
And even worst they just can’t provide any studies that what they say it’s true !

It’s all about the narrative of what they want to be true instead of what it is true .
Hence u end up with the classification of the reality of what works and what’s not which republicans OWN ( not dominate but literally owns ) the bottomless of income in the US .
Republicans policies end up much poorer than other policies they are against of.
I guess they still didn’t eat ***** enough to pursue bad policies to this day , shrug .
At one point a light bulb might lighten up .
Yeah this quote:

Because the rich pay so much more in taxes than the poor it is difficult to have a meaningful tax cut without helping the rich.

Is really suspicious.
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09-20-2023 , 08:35 PM
Newsome is finally ahead of RFK but It really was incredible how much money you could have wagered on RFK to not win the prez at nearly 5-1 just a little while ago.
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09-20-2023 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
When they allowed Roe to be overturned? Could a stacked the court.

They. Don't. Care
I'm sorry that things kept happening after 2010. But they did.

We can get through this mental block. Try making an argument without referencing that 18 month period
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