Before it gets locked down I only have one thing to add. If you want to play go play if you don't then don't. Kind of sums up what freedom of choice is all about.

That's speculation


This is how I think its done

Machine shuffles... Computer reads the shuffle.. computer then "Deals the cards" that were shuffled. So the machine is doing the shuffling which is what he promised... and the computer is doing the "dealing"..which I have not problem with..

I'm playing on the site now... and it plays just like any Poker site...

No, it is absolutely not speculation at all. The inventor said it himself in interviews and videos. There is not a 1:1 relation between machine shuffles and online deals. There are many online deals created from a single machine shuffle. To do this, they are manipulating the original deal via computer to create a "matrix" of many possible deals. They have been vague about how their algorithm works, but it certainly isn't what was promised.

I know the shuffles don't happen at the table when the game is going... The machines shuffle a generate a database of hands or matrix... a computer deals the hands....from that matrix...but it was shuffled by the machine.... sure a guy can hack into the matrix and figure out the cards to be dealt.... but a computer didn't shuffle the deck... a machine did. and Chaos Theory and laws of physics got evolved. That's what he is promising...that is what he is delivering..

Not only will I not play there, I will tell everyone who ever mentions Real Deal that it's a ****ing joke and why. That is another thing that I also have the freedom to choose to do.

You are wrong. The site promised to do a unique physical shuffle for every deal, "just like live". Nobody is arguing about the scanning in of the shuffled cards and storing them for later use. They were supposed to use those scans for the online deal. But they aren't. They are manipulating the scanned deck to create many decks from that one, and then dealing some computer-generated variant of it to many tables. They should have just used a regular RNG to begin with and skipped the Caractacus Potts contraption.

why am I not surprised that this simple concept is beyond your comprehension

This is assuming that you read the thread, which you have stated is the case.

later dude

Not sure what all the fuss is about.

The guy came up with a concept to appeal to riggies (bit of a small segment really). Obviously what he promised in terms of physical decks being used is impossible, but riggies are creatures based on hoping and believing something to be true (ie: online poker is rigged or real deal will be not rigged) so reality and logic are pretty secondary.

Good for him in realizing that and not worrying about a riggie riot just because he is not actually giving them what he promised.

Eventually they may go live, they will be a tiny room, and assuming they do not steal their players money they probably will be fairly insignificant in the market just like WSEX for instance.

Riggies will get bad beats and eventually think its rigged there as well, everyone knows that.

I think there's like three words that don't make sense in that context.

i have to agree i want more info on how they are dealing enough hands for poker stars with 3 machines . If you wanna pitch this 100 percent legit deal angle show how you are doing it. I will say the deal does seem diffrent then rng what ever is going on

Well I've played a few hundred hands of this stuff. And From what I've seen it's not any different from RNG. However the "rigtard" effect is FULL. I spent about 3 hours getting called "idiot" "******" "kiss ass" for stating my opinion about that fact. That the play wasn't noticeably different from RNG play on Stars or Tilt.

It was play chips but they, the 'rigtards', were going on and on about bad beats and I tried to explain to them that they were playing pretty bad Tight Passive play.

Limping in 50 percent of the hand from UTG 1 2 3...Not re-raising from the cut off or the button... Giving up to man big blinds without re-raising when everybody is playing back...re raising the raiser who has raised a person big blind 6 out of 10 times...ect...

So bad players play badly....no mater what...and just like the majority of posters on this forum....can't admit that they are bad players......or have some unwarranted hubristic view of their poker play

omg lol watttttttt

RDP shuffles no algorithms or entropie. Doesn't work with mouse's moves.
It shuffles cards (of paper). You can cut the deck.This is the only reason to play there.

Not much of a reason is it?

So how does the RNG work that allows them to turn one hand dealt by the shuffler into many? Or do you have another explanation for how they do that?

Realdealpoker is never going to launch, the whole thing is a long winded ****ing joke.

"The Cut N Shuffle® system was designed to deter or eliminate the use of Bots in our games."

wat

How many more years till launch date ? Think you will find that anyone that had any interest will have lost all interest by the time they ever get round to launching.

Cliff Notes:

From the website:

• The machines process two decks of cards at a time.
• Our systems as configured for the opening of RealDealPoker.com is capable of delivering 6,000 unique decks per minute.
• The Cut N’ Shuffle® system employs a fully automated dealing system that scrambles, shuffles, reads, and video captures decks of cards. These results are then sent to a Deck Matrix™ system that provides unique decks for game play...
• These systems were designed for the games not to be affected in any way by mechanical malfunctions of the dealing machines. Due to the proprietary nature of our innovations, we can not reveal all aspects of our systems but they are being thoroughly examined by the Isle of Man gaming certification lab.
• For us to provide how many machines are up and running would divulge proprietary information.
• By using a real deck of cards, a fully automated dealer, and a proprietary Deck Matrix™ system

From the video:

• "We don't need a warehouse full of machines. With three machines we can deal 48,000 decks per minute."

I'm pretty sure there is no such place.

Why would they need one?

This is the first time someone has devised anything physical that would need examining in a 'lab' - apart from a hardware RNG, I suppose, but they would hardly create a 'lab' just for those.

Let's assume the video is most current. So that's 266 decks per second per machine. Judging from the actual videos, I'd estimate that each machine produces two shuffled decks in 18 seconds. Let's be generous and say 10 seconds. So now we have to get from 2 decks per 10 seconds, to 2660 decks per 10 seconds. That means the "deck matrix" algorithmic-computer-generated-random-deck-maker-instead-of real-decks-as-advertised, uses every real shuffled deck 1330 times. Not once, but 1330 times.

So there are two possibilities:

1. Either they are using an RNG, making the manual shuffle process completely superfluous and just a useless gimmick.
or
2. They are producing a totally non-random deck distribution with repeating patterns that will be discoverable and exploitable, and even if it isn't exploited the distribution of hand outcomes will be far from random and will in fact be unintentially rigged.

Which is it? There are no other options.

I believe you're correct. They have approved vendors for that, none of them being on the IoM or affiliated with the government.

http://www.gov.im/gambling/atf.xml

Their website also says the decks last 600-650 shuffles. How could they have play money games burning a deck an hour for every 6 or 7 tables?

maybe I m wrong, but looks like the usual rng... just less rigged btw