NOT A SNOWBALLS chance in hades

seanysean posts didnt change your mind about this?

where was team online mentioned? I don't remember seeing them mentioned.

Daleroxxu is now part of Team Online and he used to play quite a few DoNs. Wonder what he thinks. Maybe the Fifty50's were his idea?

Just putting in my quick 2 cents on the new F50s.

I think the structure is great, the speed of the game makes it more fun. I 100% agree that rake needs to be reduced. 4% rake would be fair, however as being one of the people who had to leave 9 mans a while back when they got tough, I'm in the boat of lowering rake across the board. Then again, who isn't.

Just make it fair in the sense that DoNs had 4% rake so F50s can have 4% rake. Honestly something like 3-3.5% seems way more fair but I think we can all accept 4%.

Also all of these complaints about how these are hard to multitable. You never play anything beyond 6 handed. Yes you have slightly more decisions than a DoN I guess but get over it. Everything is hard to multitable at first. Stars doesn't have to offer us low variance games for grinders to make a cushy living. Thats not to say I agree with getting rid of DoNs, its just to say that those types of arguments are silly.

He became Team Online then decided to bum round the world for a year instead

There's also a difference between Team online & Team Pro's

I know Celina Lin (Team Pro) loves her DON's too

I fully expect to see her grinding away at the nifty fifty's also ?

the thing is that theres no reason why a 10$ game is raked different than a 500$ ....
u can justify raking low the micros..but the rest is just a joke

I'll go to FTP the 28feb.

this

more time to full tilt and other sites implement dons in a simple way

What's the rake at 888 & Pacific magic merny ?

Greetings,

This message is to Pokerstars and its players. I want to make one quick point on rake and its relationship to today's game. Its obvious to many players that the skill level of the average player has increased leaps and bounds. This is due to many factors including the proliferation of coaching/training sites, software innovations, and poker-related message boards.

There is ample evidence that the games have become much tougher relative to just a few years ago. For example, it's not uncommon to see nearly all winning regulars duking it out at the $100 SNG's. Many of the most visible players have greatly reduced their play or have completely stopped playing. The games simply have become too tough given the one-two punch of rake and increased skill levels.

I've written to Pokerstars about their rake structure, although my focus has been on the microlimits. Here is an excerpt from my letter:

"I think a 10 percent rake is absurd and only convinces newcomers that the game is unbeatable. I've sent you many letters on this matter and I laud your decision to implement the normal rake structure on the $2 4-man HUSNG's. Unfortunately, this is not the normal entry point for the newest players. Furthermore, it makes little sense to give a rebate to players who often play two games for the price of one. It should be noted that the rake on the Euro games comes out to about 7.5 percent for their turbos. While this is an improvement, it's still too oppressive. I think the 5 percent standard is a fair price point. At this price point, good players will be rewarded for their hard work and marginal players will not be annihilated by the rake. I'm convinced that the high rake is actually self-defeating and costs Pokerstars more money in the long-term than they rake in the short-term. When a new player is confronted with the one-two punch of experienced opponents and high rake, they might develop a negative first impression of Pokerstars. It would seem more rational to offer the usual rake so these players can experiment and become acclimated to the game."

In conclusion, I think as players we have a vested interest in being proactive about rake. It's easy to throw our hands in the air and contend that nothing can be done to impact the status quo. But we do have the ability to influence site's rake structures both individually and as a group. One simple and powerful course of action is to increase awareness of how rake undermines the game for players of all skill levels. For example, I think the campaign to disseminate anti-rake images is a very positive development. Player education is one key element in changing the current dynamic. If we want the sites to change their behavior then we have to stop rewarding them with our patronage. Furthermore, we need to engage in dialogue to develop solutions that benefit both the player and the site.

Thank you,

Jeffrey 'Wherein I don't promise to make you rich without trying, or even trying very hard, I do promise to say things that will make you FEEL rich."

by steve in determining 50/50 blinds

lol stars. Moving the date back isn't going to help the transition. If you wanted to help the transition you shouldn't have told us that the date was being moved earlier than the DAY before.

Oh dear...

Juk

i am someone who is for DoNs staying...with that being said:

The freakin Russians are obviously doing the same thing as the chinese.

playing a $20 DoN now...

4 russians
1 estonia (bordered by russia)
1 belarus (bordered by russia)

along with 2 from brazil, 1 german, 1 united states (me)

I hate DoNs and I like the 50/50s what should I do now?

pretty obvious whats going on....
thanks for the heads up, sherlock

i thought it was pretty obvious i said it was obvious, sherlock

i am complaining about this for a long time. but they still do nothing. I wanna see if after the dons get closed i will receive any refund. because this is ********
the guys from russia are clearly colluding and I have already sended mails everyday about this.
its IMPOSSIBLE that breakeven players just become top leaderboards in the space of 1 month or player with 0 xperience massive multitable the 100s and 50s with perfect readings on the opponents.

PS just dont want to spend money refunding people, so they created a format(5050) where u can collude without getting caught AND with a increased Rake and less time.

GENIUS MOVE BY STARS

I want refund money too.

LOL at people talking about another cheating scandal who also want the format to stick around.

Guys, why do you think the cheating scandals happen in DoNs and not in other games on Stars?

Once you can answer that question, you will understand why they won't be available anymore

This sounds like a pretty standard Party 10-man SNG (although the "1 united states" would be replaced by a Romanian, Ukrainian or Latvian)

Juk

ATTENTION POKERSTARS STAFF (STEVE ETC)... I would like to say that moving the deadline for dons to the 28th is definitely a step in the right direction. You obviously listened to your customers and realized the one week warning was a little harsh. I think this is not as far as you can bend on this matter though. I think you guys should reconsider having ANY enddate at all. Players started playing January 1st with hopes of achieving certain vpp levels throughout 2011. How come you guys cannot see how the year goes with both these formats running as the long term samples will speak for themselves as far as which one should go and which one should stay. I really hope you guys take the next two weeks to evaluate your decision to get rid of this terrific structure. It would be a shame and pointless. Keep the Don's and keep the 50/50's (even though they are not as great ) BUT don't turn happy players into unhappy embittered former customers. We all have a choice when we decide which format to play. I do not think it is fair to push players into another format by replacing their old one with it. No one is forcing someone to play a double or nothing but rather we play them cause we choose to. If your argument is that don's a more prone to collusion, then let the players who also share your opinion play the 50/50 structure. Now, they have an alternative if they so wish. This is all their choice.

I regisiter for don's cause i want to, not cause i have a gun to my head. Expecting players to switch from their beloved don format to the 50/50's by yanking their game is like trying to put a gun to our heads. We feel as if we are being forced into them. It is extremely disheartening since most players who frequent don's have been everyday loyal players to your site for several years. This isn't the way we should be treated. You should keep our desires in mind when forming your final decision. We are DEFINITELY worth keeping around from a business standpoint. Our opinions should be one of the major deciding factors. The funny thing is, we are not telling you (at least I am not) to get rid of 50/50's. I have no problem with the coexistence of both. The forum threads on this matter have become a bitter war of words between players and it shouldn't be that way. Just live and let live. If i want to play a don let me play a don and if you want to play a 50/50 then go for it. There shouldn't be this issue of replacing one with the other.

If I came off harsh in these posts it is because of my strong passion for the format bubbling over into tirades driven by emotion for the game. This is nothing personal but rather how I feel. Again, thanks for taking a step in the right direction regarding this matter. I really, truly hope you guys step back by taking an honest look at this entire matter. Evaluate the numbers for the traffic for both formats (i understand u guys are a business and need to be profitable although i think don's will do u better in the long run) and also take a look at all the forums and how they are abuzz with passionate don players. You do not see even near the same level of passions for 50/50's (not one bit...not even close).

Thanks in advance for hopefully reconsidering your decision.

Why can't the DON format be altered to make collusion harder? If it could, then it seems like everyone would be happy.

all your posts and then u go away...................lol!

see ya!