If anything stars should limit max number of tables to something like 8-12. These ***** multitabling nits with 24 tables slow down games so much and are the main reason i don't play at stars.

But i guess these guys generate insane amounts of rake to stars so there's no way max # of tables will go down. Just like these shallow tables, they make money to stars so there's no way they drop them off...

I have the option of playing it, and would rather play short. You are trying to take that option away. Anyway like most people I've played hundreds of thousands of nl cash hands, but recently expanding into other games.

I think you shouldn't force people to play deep if they don't want to. The majority of people who want deeper stacked tables are greedy. It's good to want to do well and make money, but some fish don't want to always play deep. Let them play whatever they want. Who knows, maybe if they are stuck playing 50bb min they will lose faster and not want to put more online? A lot will probably have the mentality that "omg my local cardroom lets me buy in short, this is dumb!"

Also for those that don't play live. Unless you are going to play in LV, enjoy shortstackers. In LA people ALWAYS minbuy, in whatever game.

OT Does anyone know why they removed 25-50bb HU tables @ NL50?

to provoke another thread.

Oooh, I can't wait.

Anyone else like tacos?

I've been doing a fair bit of pondering and I believe it's time for an actual sarcasm font instead of emoticons. I will propose one soon.

You try to come off as being a neutral observer, and it turns out you were/are a sser... i'm shocked... really. No, really

As far as taking your 'option' to buy short away.... I just want to take your option to rathole and abuse the game away. But, since ssers won't stop mass ratholing at 20bb, raising the limits to 35/40-100 will help counter the abuse, and will desegregate games. If ssers like you were really just defending their (current) option to buyin for 20bb, then they would have been asking for 20bb CAP tables as a compromise, since that is the exact game they trying to force everyone to play.

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I don't see why they should be removed. If you don't like them, you have a choice of not playing them. At least you have a choice. Personally, I find them to be soft and would hate to see them go.

As a guy who likes to shortstack and is aware that a large portion of people attempting to do so make obvious errors on a regular basis, I would love 20BB CAP tables. Not having to open a new table because everyone at the table has 20BB except the guy on my immediate left, would be awesome.

I play at the 20-50BB for the simple reason that that's where the fish are. Those games are so much softer than their deep counterparts, AINEC. I'll go where the fish go. In my ideal world, they'll all come over to the 20BB cap games.

It won't stop people from complaining "that's not real poker" as a guise for "omg the fish won't play with me" though.

A friend of mine hates Texas Hold'em. As far as he's concerned, five card draw is the only "pure" poker there is. Just because games exist that you don't prefer doesn't make them less "poker." Good players win and bad players lose, based on the quality of their decisions based on the game parameters.



Actually the guy playing 90/3 and pondering carefully before check-calling every street slows the game down a lot more than a reasonably competent multitabler. Should be get rid of them too?

btw, if having the hands per hour brought down from 100 per hour to 85 is killing you that badly, I'd suggest some adderall, or some ritalin if that doesn't work.

Ah, but the tables are "bad for the game" which is code for "bad for my game of preference because the fish prefer to be elsewhere."

IMO everyone should be forced to play limit poker. I mean, the other day I had AA, I raised, then someone reraised, then I reraised again, then they went all in for 150BB, all preflop. I mean geez, that's not poker, poker is a three street game!

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Pokerstars needs to drop the 40-100bb tables and make all tables 20-50bb imo.

The point of requesting 20bb CAP tables is that nobody would want to play with you at 20bb CAP tables.

That's the hypocrisy of 20-50bb. All the shortstackers there are basically turning them into 20bb CAP by ratholing constantly, and yet they aren't labeled 20bb CAP, and if they were no fish would ever sit at them.

Fish don't like 20bb CAP. Fish also don't like 20-50bb (because it's almost the same exact thing), they just don't realize it because there's no label adequately distinguishing it from real poker. They just grab the next available seat.

Fish like playing short because they get more bang for their buck and don't bust as quick. They are also more likely to double up with a 20bb stack than a bigger stack.

lol, another thread off and running with all of the same arguments.

Drop the 50bb tables.

nah

tacos arent american

That's just nonsense.

and wut ur sayin isnt nonsense

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just go work for burger king already

Fish are just weak poker players, they are not mentally ******ed. Each table clearly states the number of bb you can buyin for. Stop assuming they are too stupid to figure out which table they are playing on.

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I didn't call them mentally ******ed, but there are tons of weak players that don't know what 20-50 and 40-100 means, so I guess you just called them mentally ******ed. Not the language I would use but that's your choice

When I still played on PokerStars on the day of the change there were multiple casual players asking in table chat what 20-50 and 40-100 meant

Until that day, buy-in ranges had pretty much never been listed in multiples of 1 big blind, so it's not as clear as you think it is, people aren't used to thinking about big blinds they're used to thinking about dollars

If you think 100% of fish know what it means or even necessarily notice or look at it, you're definitely wrong

The way it's organized, it's not even displayed as if it's a prominent feature of how the game is played (which it is, a huge one). Blinds have their own column, limit has its own column, number of players has its own column, and yet that thing that determines whether every decision will be made preflop or not is just tacked onto the end of the table name in parenthesis

100% correct,