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12-31-2015 , 01:33 AM

#126

Burrrrrberry

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 15

I'm in.

p*********
nl cash and all mix

p.s. it makes me want to kick a puppy when I see people say "stars hasn't stole anything"

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12-31-2015 , 01:54 AM

#127

Toni Cogin

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 516

n0d1ceb4by plo 500kvpp

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12-31-2015 , 02:05 AM

#128

31Alpha

centurion

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 142

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

It is exactly what I posted. You'll have to go back and read my previous posts if you want an elaboration; I'm not going to rewrite posts. And they didn't steal anything from me; I don't play on PokerStars.

I don't know what you think a TOS is but it certainly isn't as powerful an instrument as you seem to think it is. There are many things that make up the rules of business. A TOS is at the very very bottom of that list. A TOS has no ability to override the legalities of doing business.

let me help you... TOS: rules by which one must agree to abide by in order to use a service; unless in violation of consumer protection laws, such terms are usually legally binding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_service

you claim PS 'stole' something... to STEAL 'take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it'...

so again - what did they 'steal'

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12-31-2015 , 02:20 AM

#129

sandr1x

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 558

C'mon guys, let's make it at least 2k by tomorrow. Go, go, go!

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12-31-2015 , 02:25 AM

#130

FearNoArt

adept

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 717

In

Ccour Micro cash/tournies

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12-31-2015 , 02:26 AM

#131

SantaCruz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 4,161

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Originally Posted by 31Alpha

Let me help you:

As I said, a TOS can't override existing legalities.

If an online player plays a tournament, and the prize for that tournament is $10,000 plus 50% rakeback for the following year, the pokersite can't simply cut that prize to just the $10,000 after that player wins. Even if the TOS states that they can reduce rakeback at their descretion, the site can't simply annul that 50% rakeback prize without giving him an equivalent alternate compensation. It really isn't that hard to understand.

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12-31-2015 , 02:39 AM

#132

31Alpha

centurion

Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 142

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

well thank you for your help.
specifics would help... what tournament had that as a prize?

and lets stay away from generic comments - what specific 'legalities' are PS illegally violating as you claim

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12-31-2015 , 02:58 AM

#133

Contemplater

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 494

Let's bleed them dry!

"Parasences" Formerly played Mixed and PLO MTT's up to 2100$ and NLHE up to 215$, and limit cash.games up to 10/20.

Already intended to limit my play to 33$+44$ Big twice a week next year, so this won't even hurt me much at all. As soon as Amaya goes broke, someone less incompetent will buy it a lot cheaper than what it's still worth, I think.

Will pay out 15% of my roll, and self-exclude for 7 days with responsible-gaming feature right after waking up tomorrow.

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12-31-2015 , 03:09 AM

#134

SantaCruz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 4,161

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Originally Posted by 31Alpha

You're not very smart, are you?

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12-31-2015 , 03:12 AM

#135

Thrash370

See my staking thread

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,196

Already signed up on tilt book.

I am in. 4x SNE FLHE/SNGs/Spins. I am also encouraging my stable to participate in the strike.

I will be playing on ACR during this to give another site more market share. I suggest everyone play on some different network during this strike. If sites start making inroads on stars' market share that's scarier to them than the temporary loss in traffic.

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12-31-2015 , 04:14 AM

#136

sauhund

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,936

in, osiasgriffin, midstakes plo

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12-31-2015 , 04:18 AM

#137

bari83

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 138

In;
bari83;
PLO25 & 50;
was close to SN b4 the changes got leaked. I will cash out 90% and only leave some for MTTs and move my action to a more +ev site

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12-31-2015 , 04:55 AM

#138

ValuetownJL

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,436

In;
ValuetownJL
Spins

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12-31-2015 , 05:18 AM

#139

ShowOfForce

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 168

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Originally Posted by Ansky

I am in. I support the idea of continued pressure on Stars, and gathering more support amongst poker players. I disagree with some of the specifics on the website, but overall I think it's more important to stay united for now.

The way I see it (these are my own opinions, I don't necessarily represent others with this), we have three major fighting points:

1) SNE and SN rewards were promised, and not given, and that is not right. We demand this be made right.

2) Taking away rewards specifically for HS cash is an unfair attack on a specific subset of the poker community. It seems especially unbalanced, and goes way beyond what would be a fair redistribution of rewards. There are many ways to restructure the VIP system in an effective and meaningful way, but slashing 100% of rewards for the high stakes players is a very sloppy way of doing it.

3) The online poker community has a lot to say about online poker, and we'd like the opportunity to talk about it with PokerStars. PokerStars and players have many aligned interests, we do not want to be enemies in this. I suspect that because there is so much noise to come out of the poker community, many at Stars don't think it's worth listening to us anymore. I'd like to prove them wrong about that. I don't expect Stars to hand us a living, I do expect them to be honest, fair, and open with us. I am apparently going to get a meeting soon with some executives, and I want to prove to them that the players can help move the game forward and adapt over time. I fully respect PokerStars right to run their own business, just as I expect them to respect our decisions as a community.

Full disclosure: I will be playing PCA starting on January 6th, but I will not play at all on PokerStars as is written in the OP.

IMO these should be our main points, maybe primarily 2&3 could have the biggest positive impact. Asking for way more than that for now seems 'ambitious', since they haven't shown much desire to cooperate.

I'm in, registered w/ that tiltbook thingy. Time to battle some ipoker bots.

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12-31-2015 , 05:19 AM

#140

IceQueenAce

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 185

The more that the winning regs don't play, the more that players such as myself can win.
Thanks

#justsaying

(It is no coincidence that other sites are also trying to reduce the impact of high stakes players/regs etc. They have a lot better access to your data than anyone and are surely making business decisions based on that data. They aren't guessing what they think will happen, they pretty much know).

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12-31-2015 , 05:39 AM

#141

l_gravas

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 43

Whenever i see someone claiming that Amaya is a multibillion company and they are clearly know what they are doing and they are doing it right, i want that someone to justify that claim. Amaya has never-ever-ever managed anything close to Stars, and whatever they were doing in Ongame(actually it is the same they are doing now with Stars - grabbing every possible cent) run this network into the oblivion

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12-31-2015 , 06:00 AM

#142

IceQueenAce

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 185

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Originally Posted by l_gravas

I am not claiming they know what they are doing.

I am claiming that other sites are doing the same/similar and they all have access to better figures than we do.

From a recs pov, everytime the regs leave, it gets more fun for the rest of us.

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12-31-2015 , 06:10 AM

#143

Doorbread

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 9,764

withcolor plo

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12-31-2015 , 06:27 AM

#144

Mr.DjiSamSoe

adept

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 863

If you don't like it,just withdraw all your money and leave..

Pointless IMO

When the arrangement benefiting SN/SNE players,did you guys Say anything?? Chrome, Gold and etc?? Exactly.. STFU and Go away..

Sent from my Mi 4i using 2+2 Forums

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12-31-2015 , 07:20 AM

#145

sandr1x

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 558

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Together we stand in the fight for the right to be free from the lies and deceit.

Our brains have been washed and our souls have been lost, yet we will not back down or retreat.

They will not give up it is obvious, so we will unite with our consciousness,

And eventually we are going to repossess the freedoms we had while we clean the mess.

As we stare into space I can see the stress of the physical plane of our consciousness.

The things that we want we can manifest, all we need is to focus.

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12-31-2015 , 08:13 AM

#146

expat

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 246

[QUOTE=lavender_lemon;48982770]7 day boycott is just first step of 2016. 10% cashouts will also show on PokerStars balance sheet.

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Player funds are segregated, don't belong to Pokerstars, and so are not part of Pokerstars balance sheet.

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12-31-2015 , 09:05 AM

#147

ISILDRppN

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 602

I wanted to play but I'll still sign up, keep doing good work boys

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12-31-2015 , 10:15 AM

#148

Contemplater

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 494

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Originally Posted by Contemplater

"Parasences"

Paid out 15%, and used BRM-feature to ban myself for 7days now already.
Thank you for doing this.

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12-31-2015 , 10:21 AM

#149

l_gravas

newbie

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 43

[QUOTE=expat;48986341]

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Originally Posted by lavender_lemon

7 day boycott is just first step of 2016. 10% cashouts will also show on PokerStars balance sheet.

QUOTE]

Player funds are segregated, don't belong to Pokerstars, and so are not part of Pokerstars balance sheet.

They are paying processing fees. It's really small but still.

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12-31-2015 , 11:05 AM

#150

TimStone

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 8,375

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Originally Posted by l_gravas

They are paying processing fees. It's really small but still.

They do. And once u rattle their cage a bit too often with that pathetic masscashouts we gonna see a 3% cashout fee for all platinum star+ and all 2+2 will be like wtf just happend...

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