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Old 12-08-2009, 01:32 AM   #10926
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I vote yes that the girl in your picture is rigged. But the rigging is pretty spectacular, but probably not provable without random and thorough inspections...
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:32 AM   #10927
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Bobo, please tell us that Buckethead's current ban is a permaban!
Looks like he got a couple days for trolling.
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:38 AM   #10928
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After a horrible run everyone must have some thoughts about it being rigged.

Like I am feeling now
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:44 AM   #10929
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After a horrible run everyone must have some thoughts about it being rigged.

Like I am feeling now
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I now an official Rig-tard for the time being. When I come off my down swing I will let everyone know that I have jumped back on the good side of the fence.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:08 AM   #10930
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40% of people on here think online sites are rigged??

Wtf??
Where do you suppose the rest of us get our winnings from?
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:10 AM   #10931
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Who was Stephen Smears gimmic?
I think he had considerably more than one.
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:04 AM   #10932
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I just wrapped my computer w/ tin foil...will this help?
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:10 AM   #10933
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The **** isn't rigged. It's just flop chasers and fish altogether. If you have aces, you are pretty good as far as one pair goes, but, let's see, we have two pair(many combinations possible), 3 of a kind(also very possible), str8(which many people chase and will eventually catch), flush, full house, blah, blah, blahblahblahblahblah.

So you've played for an hour or two, been knocking fish out here and there. You've noticed how many players are at least playing to the flop. You catch top pair ace kicker(this is the millionth time this tourney) and you are big stack. In the end, the other guy ends up taking a hefty portion of your chips and you go down hill and finish just itm and you sit back and say,"This sht must be rigged." Once someone loses a hand that they should have won, they will normally start playing bad.

Forget the pocket rockets and such. They can lose to anything above a pair. They aren't invincible. Now if you are %90 to win a hand and all someone needs is one card, it's not very uncommon for that person to catch that card. So quit complaining and go out there and give me your money!
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Old 12-08-2009, 11:47 AM   #10934
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The **** isn't rigged. It's just flop chasers and fish altogether. If you have aces, you are pretty good as far as one pair goes, but, let's see, we have two pair(many combinations possible), 3 of a kind(also very possible), str8(which many people chase and will eventually catch), flush, full house, blah, blah, blahblahblahblahblah.

So you've played for an hour or two, been knocking fish out here and there. You've noticed how many players are at least playing to the flop. You catch top pair ace kicker(this is the millionth time this tourney) and you are big stack. In the end, the other guy ends up taking a hefty portion of your chips and you go down hill and finish just itm and you sit back and say,"This sht must be rigged." Once someone loses a hand that they should have won, they will normally start playing bad.

Forget the pocket rockets and such. They can lose to anything above a pair. They aren't invincible. [B]Now if you are %90 to win a hand and all someone needs is one card, it's not very uncommon for that person to catch that card. So quit complaining and go out there and give me your money.
Finally a math/poker prodigy has arrived...

I see...Thank you for creating an account just to show us how stupid you are....
So if I'm a 90% favorite to win a hand, it's "not very uncommon for that person to catch that card," TEN percent of the time? 10 times out of 100? What is your definition of "uncommon?" How does uncommon relate to you?

Before I continue, I don't want to be rude to less fortunate posters, so I must ask, Do you suffer from down syndrome or any other form of mental ******ation? I'm kinda in between b/c most of your spelling is correct...

Same odds as me playing the pick 4 in lottery and hitting boxed...Odd....
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Old 12-08-2009, 12:39 PM   #10935
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I see...Thank you for creating an account just to show us how stupid you are....
Actually, he's making perfect sense.

As usual it's you who are demonstrating what a complete idiot you are.

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So if I'm a 90% favorite to win a hand, it's "not very uncommon for that person to catch that card," TEN percent of the time? 10 times out of 100? What is your definition of "uncommon?"
Well, uncommon is something that doesn't happen very often and which will cause surprise and comment amongst normally intelligent people when it does.

If 80 hands are being played per hour for a couple of hours then you would expect to see a one in ten event around 16 times.

No one with an ounce of sense would call that 'uncommon'.

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Before I continue, I don't want to be rude to less fortunate posters, so I must ask, Do you suffer from down syndrome or any other form of mental ******ation? I'm kinda in between...
No you're not.

You quite definitely suffer from some fairly serious 'form of mental ******ation'.
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Old 12-08-2009, 12:40 PM   #10936
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I just wrapped my computer w/ tin foil...will this help?
No, but wrapping your head in several layers of cling film would definitely help a great deal.
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Old 12-08-2009, 12:50 PM   #10937
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Finally a math/poker prodigy has arrived...

I see...Thank you for creating an account just to show us how stupid you are....
So if I'm a 90% favorite to win a hand, it's "not very uncommon for that person to catch that card," TEN percent of the time? 10 times out of 100? What is your definition of "uncommon?" How does uncommon relate to you?

Before I continue, I don't want to be rude to less fortunate posters, so I must ask, Do you suffer from down syndrome or any other form of mental ******ation? I'm kinda in between b/c most of your spelling is correct...

Same odds as me playing the pick 4 in lottery and hitting boxed...Odd....
Wow tk, maybe you should go back to bed, you seem a little grumpy this morning.

I've noticed that lately you've been coming out against the complete rigtards once in a while and calling them out. Unfortunately, your reading comprehension is more than a little off this morning and you've picked your spot very very poorly. Or is it standard procedure for you to call someone stupid in a number of different ways just because you don't agree with their definition of 10% being uncommon?
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Old 12-08-2009, 12:55 PM   #10938
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Actually, he's making perfect sense.

As usual it's you who are demonstrating what a complete idiot you are.



Well, uncommon is something that doesn't happen very often and which will cause surprise and comment amongst normally intelligent people when it does.

If 80 hands are being played per hour for a couple of hours then you would expect to see a one in ten event around 16 times.

No one with an ounce of sense would call that 'uncommon'.



No you're not.

You quite definitely suffer from some fairly serious 'form of mental ******ation'.


You are talking about the "many hands/hour" myth. This is wrong, the higher the hands/hour rate the less psychologycally important the bad beats tend to be. So the chance that we remember them is lower too. Its exactly the oposite of what you said.

What many people talks about is that you play a 1 hour online session and the FIRST pocket K that someone pays you to see the flop is cracked. And many many times the second and the third.


That is very different from winning 10 KK after the flop and losing 2.
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Old 12-08-2009, 01:04 PM   #10939
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Where do you suppose the rest of us get our winnings from?
Not if they quit playing because they think sites are rigged and that you have access to a superuser account.
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Old 12-08-2009, 01:12 PM   #10940
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Not if they quit playing because they think sites are rigged and that you have access to a superuser account.
Well then I'll just use my superuser account to take money from competent players.

Er, wait ...
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Old 12-08-2009, 01:18 PM   #10941
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You are talking about the "many hands/hour" myth. This is wrong, the higher the hands/hour rate the less psychologycally important the bad beats tend to be. So the chance that we remember them is lower too. Its exactly the oposite of what you said.
An interesting POV but not one that makes any sense.

Selective memory is known to play a major part in the belief forming process of rigtards.

It even affects non-rigtards but they have the sense to understand its workings and discount the suspicions it engenders.

But that is irrelevant in this case because we were not discussing selective memory. We were discussing what constitutes 'uncommon' and something that is going to happen one time in every ten is not something that any normal, intelligent, person would consider 'uncommon'.

Otherwise you would end up with nonsenses such as a telephone number being considered 'uncommon' because it ended in a 9.
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Old 12-08-2009, 01:39 PM   #10942
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When I say TRUST, I mean:

1. Trust that what the online site is not rigging their RNG
2. Trust that they are not manipulating the programming
3. Trust that their security team is good enough to catch hackers
4. Trust that your money is safe
5. Trust that there isnt a team of superusers working tournaments for the online site to limit players results so that the site can win some or most of the money near the top of the prize pool.
6. Trust that there are no bots with access to the rng in realtime working for the online site.
7. Trust that the site knows how to stop botting

I am sure we can put more on the list. This all comes down to TRUST.

I disagree that manipulation of the outcomes in cash games or tournaments can be absolutely 100% found in the hand histories. Variance can be used in a pretty wide range of situations. Anotherwords, you can just tell someone they are running bad, especially if they havent played 5 million hands on the site.
I agree, you can use variance, and even if you want to find a statistical anomaly you have to know where to look for the anomaly, which hands, which situations, wiich combinations of situations, plauers staks, cards. Theoretically there is almost infinite variables that you can analyse AND manipulate.

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Old 12-08-2009, 01:44 PM   #10943
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An interesting POV but not one that makes any sense.

Selective memory is known to play a major part in the belief forming process of rigtards.

It even affects non-rigtards but they have the sense to understand its workings and discount the suspicions it engenders.

But that is irrelevant in this case because we were not discussing selective memory. We were discussing what constitutes 'uncommon' and something that is going to happen one time in every ten is not something that any normal, intelligent, person would consider 'uncommon'.

Otherwise you would end up with nonsenses such as a telephone number being considered 'uncommon' because it ended in a 9.

What Im saying is that the highr the hands/hour rate the less significantly and emotional important the bad beats should tend to be, even if still is a lot more easy to remeber them. If what happens is the more you play the beats get more psychologically and emotionally significant, something is wrong, because it shouldnt be the case.
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Old 12-08-2009, 01:46 PM   #10944
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This year is pretty uncommon too.

It's pretty uncommon to eat the last hot dog in the pack.

If you regularly break only one of the Commandments your sins will be uncommon.

Unemployed people in the U.S. are really uncommon.

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Old 12-08-2009, 01:48 PM   #10945
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I agree, you can use variance, and even if you want to find a statistical anomaly you have to know where to look for the anomaly, which hands, which situations, wiich combinations of situations, plauers staks, cards. Theoretically there is infinite variables that you can analyse AND manipulate.
So is this then new rigtard creed?

"There are so many ways of rigging the deal that even if someone is doing so there is very little chance of anyone spotting it".

It's an amusing idea and one you could easily apply to a great many of the people with whom you deal.
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:03 PM   #10946
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So is this then new rigtard creed?

"There are so many ways of rigging the deal that even if someone is doing so there is very little chance of anyone spotting it".

It's an amusing idea and one you could easily apply to a great many of the people with whom you deal.
Just logical thinking.
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:22 PM   #10947
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Just logical thinking.
I'm sure you think so.
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:46 PM   #10948
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So what's the summary of the last 20 pages or so, have we cracked the rig yet?!

(if so pm me the arithmetics)
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:03 PM   #10949
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So is this then new rigtard creed?

"There are so many ways of rigging the deal that even if someone is doing so there is very little chance of anyone spotting it".

It's an amusing idea and one you could easily apply to a great many of the people with whom you deal.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:07 PM   #10950
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[X] Thread delivers!!!
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