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11-11-2014 , 10:55 PM
I get the feeling people can either see my cards or know the outcome in advance.
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11-11-2014 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 1up luigi
I get the feeling people can either see my cards or know the outcome in advance.
And live players get the feeling that certain dealers jinx them and others are lucky for them. So what?
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11-11-2014 , 11:50 PM
I see dead people.
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11-12-2014 , 12:17 AM
Don't forget the people that think the world is about to end and feel the need to walk the streets with a sign saying, "The end is nigh!"
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11-12-2014 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
So, again I will ask you this. If this is true why was it that when I first put deposit on poker stars that I lost 20bis in a few thousand hands? Still my worst downswing I've had playing online poker.

New player rig, much like all other rigs. No evidence to support it. Just a bunch of riggies spouting random rig ideas without evidence to back up their claims.

Don't forget to reply to yourself too in case your ideas don't get enough support.
It is possible that they put you on the "do not rig" list as they often do with new players who are "good players" and will keep depositing to try to beat the players that they feel are inferior to them. Also, it is possible they also put degens on the "do not rig" list because they know they will keep depositing whether they win or lose. Degens just want to gamble.
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11-12-2014 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mchine
It is possible that they put you on the "do not rig" list as they often do with new players who are "good players" and will keep depositing to try to beat the players that they feel are inferior to them. Also, it is possible they also put degens on the "do not rig" list because they know they will keep depositing whether they win or lose. Degens just want to gamble.
Bah, I never said I had to re-deposit. Only had to deposit once on poker stars. Only people with low to average ability, bad bankroll management, or a combination of the two tend to need to deposit repeatedly.

Oh, and I love that rigs have flip sides for when it doesn't fit in with a rig theory. It's awesome.

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11-12-2014 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 1up luigi
I get the feeling people can either see my cards or know the outcome in advance.
I have a feeling that I know the outcome for you in advance.
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11-12-2014 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mchine
It is possible that they put you on the "do not rig" list as they often do with new players who are "good players" and will keep depositing to try to beat the players that they feel are inferior to them. Also, it is possible they also put degens on the "do not rig" list because they know they will keep depositing whether they win or lose. Degens just want to gamble.
Do they use the physics who advertise on TV or do they have special access to "good" ones?
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11-12-2014 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 1up luigi
I get the feeling people can either see my cards or know the outcome in advance.
I get the feeling that you're wrong.

It's just a feeling. I have no evidence to back it up.
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11-12-2014 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
So, again I will ask you this. If this is true why was it that when I first put deposit on poker stars that I lost 20bis in a few thousand hands? Still my worst downswing I've had playing online poker.
Because your VIP status was low then and so you bled money to the higher VIP players.
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11-12-2014 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
Because your VIP status was low then and so you bled money to the higher VIP players.
Ah, the licence to print money rig? I mean you know this one but don't take a month and get yourself to silver/gold or above and then crush all the ones on lower VIP? Seems like such a waste of a known rig.
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11-12-2014 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by huntsman41
Ah, the licence to print money rig? I mean you know this one but don't take a month and get yourself to silver/gold or above and then crush all the ones on lower VIP? Seems like such a waste of a known rig.
Don't be stupid, don't you know the rig is specifically against him I mean heck have you not read his other posts.

Right Now Daniel Negreanu is busy personally preparing the next email to send to Donkeystars specifically to get him to deposit his next $20.

I mean what would be the point in that if Donkey stars could simply get gold status then win.

Then pokerstars would be wasting the millions $s a year they pay Daniel specifically to send emails to Donkeystars.
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11-12-2014 , 10:06 AM
Oh I do read Donkey's posts. He is a one man rig machine. He is a hero that alone has found more rigs than the thread combined I think. The VIP rig, the blind vs blind rig, the KK vs A flop rig, the different buyin rig, and several others.

Of course he is a troll, and I'm amazed he still bothers with this account. I mean if he really believed half of what he said he would not be wearing a tinfoil hat, but living in a house coated in the stuff.
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11-12-2014 , 12:14 PM
I posted my graph to show I get screwed over when I hold one pair. If you don't accept that is evidence of a rig you're lacking an open mind.

Winnings: $495
ALL IN EV: $705

Massive difference. And why? Because donks and supernovas are always given their miracle outs against me.
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11-12-2014 , 12:23 PM
In what way is that a massive difference?
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11-12-2014 , 12:30 PM
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I see dead people.



great film!... grandmom says hello...
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11-12-2014 , 01:57 PM
Donkey. If I flipped a coin with you 1000 times or 10,000 times we would expect to come out about even. Would you agree?

If so, what would you think if we were dead even after 100 flips and then in the next ten flips I won them all? Would it be rigged? Or did I get lucky?
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11-12-2014 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyStars
I posted my graph to show I get screwed over when I hold one pair. If you don't accept that is evidence of a rig you're lacking an open mind.

Winnings: $495
ALL IN EV: $705

Massive difference. And why? Because donks and supernovas are always given their miracle outs against me.
And I spelled out for you why your graph wasn't conclusive, possible problems with your playing style, and also showed that you've gotten TPTK more often than you should.

If you can blow off my well constructed post as "random maths" why should I buy your random graph?
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11-12-2014 , 09:52 PM
http://www.psimg.com/pdf/cigital-rng-labresults.pdf

3.0 Is so sketch


So if I understand correctly Pokerstars is aware of when they will be tested? Thats not really a third party... Thats like telling an athlete the day of the year he will be tested for PED.
The testing should be on the previous hands that were dealt not simulating hands on the RNG. Why isnt there more serious studies/testing done?

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11-12-2014 , 10:49 PM
It's a game created by donks, played by donks, and we complain about getting donked. Just do what most pros do. Play limit.

This is simply an infinite loop of discussion trying to define an infinite term. Nobody will ever prove a rigged game because of the term "the long run". When do the numbers work out? In the long run. How long is the long run? When the numbers work out. It's a genius marketing tool to just keep people playing. Quantify the long run and the debate ends, one way or the other.

Last edited by bigdaddy910; 11-12-2014 at 11:04 PM.
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11-12-2014 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddy910
It's a game created by donks, played by donks, and we complain about getting donked. Just do what most pros do. Play limit.

This is simply an infinite loop of discussion trying to define an infinite term. Nobody will ever prove a rigged game because of the term "the long run". When do the numbers work out? In the long run. How long is the long run? When the numbers work out. It's a genius marketing tool to just keep people playing. Quantify the long run and the debate ends, one way or the other.
Can get an idea before, but at least 100k of hands to be getting variance right down.

And grats on finding the rigged thread for your first post.
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11-12-2014 , 11:19 PM
Only get one chance to make a grand entrance. Lol
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11-13-2014 , 05:16 AM
I don't think I've ever posted in this thread before, but while I won't say online poker is rigged, it's interesting to watch the final table at the WSOP main event and see few straights/flushes/full houses at the 250+ hand final table. Yet I feel like I see them within every 25 hands online. Coincidence or has this been covered before? Seems odd.
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11-13-2014 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jason64
I don't think I've ever posted in this thread before, but while I won't say online poker is rigged, it's interesting to watch the final table at the WSOP main event and see few straights/flushes/full houses at the 250+ hand final table. Yet I feel like I see them within every 25 hands online. Coincidence or has this been covered before? Seems odd.
There are a few explanations that can cause two effects: how often they actually happen in a given period of time, and how easily you remember them.

HOW OFTEN THEY HAPPEN
a) In comparing live vs online, obviously online hands happen a lot faster. Thus, in a given stretch of a few minutes, you see many more hands happen online compared to live. This means there are more hands where interesting things can happen.

b) The format of the FT of the WSOP is different to most tournaments. Most obviously, they're typically short-handed. In a shorter-handed game, you have less chance of seeing big hands, because there are obviously less players with hands.

c) Because they're shorter-handed, players don't need as strong hands to win pots. Thus, players are less likely to worry about playing hands that make flushes, and more likely to worry about hands that have high cards.

Compare hand rankings in all-in preflop push-fold situations:
http://sngwiz.com/wp/question/what-a...are-they-used/

to hand rankings in 9-max:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/poker-s...-players-19149

d) In a highly skilled final table situation like at the WSOP, there are likely to be less showdowns (and rivers and turns and flops) than a similar number of hands in a low stakes 9-max tournament

HOW EASILY YOU REMEMBER THEM:

e) When you're playing yourself, you are more likely to remember notable hands a lot more easily, because you're emotionally invested
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11-13-2014 , 12:05 PM
Christ just cant win big pots with KK on ps at all. Trying to bust my roll there on 50nl, got it in against AK and BANG he nails the ace as usual but luckily split pot on river. Amazing game on ps, a losing show down with KK after 150k hands. Just never ever ever holds up till river.
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