What is your exact problem? How many times you need telling this is not the thread for discussing super-users? It has ZERO relevance to rigging. Plus that is a system for them to see all the cards face up, and you are talking about someone changing the cards in real time.

Poker sites use different systems. Some use a fixed shuffle like pokerstars where the shuffle is done for hole cards and the board. Sites like fulltilt use a continuous shuffle (I think they still do) where the deck is in constant shuffle and card is pulled from that when needed. So after flop is dealt the deck is in constant shuffle till the last action of that betting round and a new card is called.

Could someone hack through the firewalls and then effect either of those type of systems? No idea. I'm no computer programmer and certainly no hacker (though that word is misused). I would say it would be massively difficult if it is possible.

And if possible it would not effect all the riggies complaining about **** anyway. Why? Because anyone that really manages this, or someone manages to get remote super-user abilities would not be wasting their time playing micro stakes, which is where 99.9% of all riggies are playing.

Anyway. For the last time. Take this to a thread related to super-users, as this is not the place for it and you'll get better feedback there I'd think.

Is that a real question?

Yes. This. It might be amusing that people imagine this rigging to be taking place at micro stakes and free rolls, if it weren't for the fact that it leads to this endless headache of a thread with inane idiocy masquerading as serious questioning by concerned individuals.

Yes, indeed. In fact, one programmer made Cthulu himself come out and obliterate the souls of every single player other than the cheat. It was a small site fortunately and this only affected a region of NE Laos. The shills and site defenders have tried to cover it all up, but the truth will out!

I say ..this is pretty random stuff

set over set over set...happens. not often. has to happen occassionally. happened to reigning wsop main event champ martin jacobson on the 3rd hand in his 1st main event outing. just set over set...but still, 10k buy-in, see ya...yukk.

3 players choose to get it in on that flop, what can they have ?

Why do you believe this shouldn't happen? Do you understand what random means?

Uncommon event, but show me it happening often and I'll be interested. I can't honestly think of an occasion it has happened to me, though could well have done.

Least the best pre-flop hand won or we could lump in that riggie idea too.

EDIT: Actually now I think on it I do recall it happening once. Can't remember the whole hand but do recall I had middle set with a pair of sevens. Few years ago now though. May have seen it happen to others in that time, but I don't tend to recall other players hands so often.

Unusual but not impossible. Nothing worse than anything I've seen live.

Favorite live hand so far, flop 3 kings turn the 4th, 4 players go all in. All 4 of us have aces.

You can laugh about the amazing hands we see sometimes, or you can develop conspiracy rig theories...

At a casino (I think it was Caesars in ac but not sure) I once had QQ and the flop was KQX and I bet and got called. Turn was a Q and I bet and opponent shoved and I called. He had KK. Table ooh'd and aah'd for 5 seconds, then started rooting for a K river. (Bad beat jackpot would have hit with that.) River was some blank. Some other guy said he folded he a K.


A different time I flopped a set with 33 on a QX3 board. Got it all-in at some point; I can't remember details. Turn and river were a J and either a Q or J (I forget). I flipped over after river and said 3s full. Other guy smiled, picked up his cards high, slammed them down and said something. He had QJ.

Hi there to you all my believe that all players are not treated the same on poker stars has never changed and never will .That is why I hardly ever deposit any more and play freerolls for fun only.
Todays sunday million deserves a look. Russian first time player wins seat in the million with a satellite win in first ever tourney and then wins sunday million surely poker stars would want to investigate this .
A lot of the sunday million final tables are full of players with hardly any previous solid tourney results .
All players are not treated the same on poker stars .Your poker knowledge and ability have no real affect on this site because you are playing a program.

"Are you telling me that this Russian guy made his way into his first big tournament through a satellite then reached the final table and even won it? I find that hard to believe. If this were possible theyd probably call them donkaments or something."

What percentage of people who enter the Sunday Million do you estimate have "hardly any previous solid tourney results"?

Braindead freeroll fish analyzing the SM. Priceless.

Must hurt him very hard to know that so many bad players have the 215$ while he is so broke he only can play freerolls.

random question do you have an account on skypoker?

If you think they're being unfair why would you deposit ANY, EVER?

It is really funny to observe...the tables,party party

Would be much less fun if you did not cherry pick the one time of day that made for a fun screenshot. Imagine all the really boring hands that would be shown then that you selectively ignored!

All the best.

1 hand <> evidence
All hands = evidence.

Posting 1 hand as proof is lol.

Monteroy, do you play at stars ?

Case example of how 1 hand isn't evidence.

Playing a WPN satellite last night I am chip lead with AJ in the BB. It's late in the tournament and a lot of people are down to < 7 BB, so 4 people shove and I call.

Turns out A4, KJ, A7 and 78 or something like that were the shoving hands, so I had the best hand pre.

Board came out with a 4, a J and a 7, so my AJ held up.

Some moron starts screaming about how the deck is rigged for action, how the flop hit every single one of us, etc., etc.

Moron apparently completely missed the last few hundred hands where nothing like that happened at all, but in his mind, this one occurrence out of hundreds was rock solid proof of a rig.

I even got called the site-owner's daughter on that one. It was precious.

EvilGreebo : one, actually two hands if you look in the upper left corner ,another party is going on there to

Also, there are two hands where nothign interesting is happening at that time, and if you took a screenshot 1 minute later odds are it would be 4 boring hands out of 4, yet you seem to not include that.

How about this - post a screenshot of 4 tables hands at exactly 3 pm EST today and lets see how exciting they are in terms of your beliefs.


Yup, under the user name Monteroy. Go figure. Your cherry picked hands are meaningless. I can do the same thing if I just ignore all the other mundane hands.

Here are 2 hands in a row against the same opponent deep in the Sunday $33 Omania yesterday.


PokerStars Hand #126058072636: Tournament #1051423670, $30+$3 USD Omaha Pot Limit - Level XXVI (4000/8000) - 2014/11/30 18:45:48 ET
Table '1051423670 9' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: kimbak1964 (230007 in chips)
Seat 2: Kiera_Knight (64040 in chips)
Seat 3: Monteroy (112344 in chips)
Seat 5: marieshi (226264 in chips)
Seat 6: Ticiz (86168 in chips)
Seat 7: Dollysz (121456 in chips)
Seat 8: tieiifleif (82890 in chips)
Seat 9: ZoG2000 (129207 in chips)
Kiera_Knight: posts small blind 4000
Monteroy: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [Ah Kh Ad 8d]
marieshi: folds
Ticiz: folds
Dollysz: folds
tieiifleif: folds
ZoG2000: raises 8000 to 16000
kimbak1964: folds
Kiera_Knight: folds
Monteroy: raises 36000 to 52000
ZoG2000: calls 36000
*** FLOP *** [6c 6s Jc]
Monteroy: bets 60344 and is all-in
ZoG2000: calls 60344
*** TURN *** [6c 6s Jc] [As]
*** RIVER *** [6c 6s Jc As] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Monteroy: shows [Ah Kh Ad 8d] (a full house, Aces full of Sixes)
ZoG2000: shows [6d 9h Kd Jh] (a full house, Sixes full of Jacks)
Monteroy collected 228688 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 228688 | Rake 0
Board [6c 6s Jc As 9d]


PokerStars Hand #126058099508: Tournament #1051423670, $30+$3 USD Omaha Pot Limit - Level XXVI (4000/8000) - 2014/11/30 18:46:18 ET
Table '1051423670 9' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: kimbak1964 (230007 in chips)
Seat 2: Kiera_Knight (60040 in chips)
Seat 3: Monteroy (228688 in chips)
Seat 5: marieshi (226264 in chips)
Seat 6: Ticiz (86168 in chips)
Seat 7: Dollysz (121456 in chips)
Seat 8: tieiifleif (82890 in chips)
Seat 9: ZoG2000 (16863 in chips)
Monteroy: posts small blind 4000
marieshi: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [6d 6s 9d 9s]
Ticiz: folds
Dollysz: folds
tieiifleif: folds
ZoG2000: raises 8863 to 16863 and is all-in
kimbak1964: folds
Kiera_Knight: folds
Monteroy: calls 12863
marieshi: calls 8863
*** FLOP *** [6c Kc Jc]
Monteroy: checks
marieshi: checks
*** TURN *** [6c Kc Jc] [Ks]
Monteroy: bets 16000
marieshi: folds
Uncalled bet (16000) returned to Monteroy
*** RIVER *** [6c Kc Jc Ks] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Monteroy: shows [6d 6s 9d 9s] (four of a kind, Sixes)
ZoG2000: shows [Jh Kh 2h As] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
Monteroy collected 50589 from pot
ZoG2000 finished the tournament in 15th place and received $195.48.



They made me laugh when they happened, but what I left out were the thousands of hands I played yesterday that were relatively boring.


I know none of this will change your need to believe it is rigged, but it explains why your cherry picked screenshots get tucked away in a riggie thread and laughed at as evidence.


All the best.

haha '' thousands of hands '' you really make me laugh

It must had been really exciting for you ,to play a 33 dollar buy in yesterday whaha

You are nothing,just another hooked losing player,admit it... you want to believe ,that it isn't rigged..... deep down you know it is.

I just can not figure out what you are finding so funny about this and now I'm a little curious. Could you explain please? Thanks.