if you ban poker tracker/ huds etc would it still be easily detectable? how could anyone prove it without large hand history database?

Hand history trackers, and HUDs are two entirely different things. Sometimes they come together in a software package. But hand history tracking is just a method of recording what you see with your eyes, and putting it in a database. Observation of the game can never be "banned". Even if a site for some unearthly reason decided not to provide hand history text files, people can always still record their own.

well yeah in theory that's true. I mean nothing could could stop someone writing it down by hand. so lets say I allege that site X is rigged who do not allow hand history trackers or huds software.

I decide to record everything by hand and input into excel or other data base I then come with this is not mathmatically viable site X has to be rigged I provide statistics that simply should not happen way to unlikely etc.

considering the fact I could have just made it up, or inputed my own made up hands in temper/ made mistakes How would that prove anything?

would you honestly take me seriously if i alleged any site was rigged and provided my own Excel spread sheet of hands I had manually inputted?

If a site were to be rigged and you discovered it in the way you suggest, other players would check their own hand histories to see if they could prove your results.

In exactly the same way as it would happen at the present.

However, you are showing your true rigtard nature here by your paranoid fretting about sites doing something that they are not going to do for many very logical reasons (mainly, that there are far easier ways to increase their profits), none of which have anything to do with their inherent, angel-like honesty.

I did not say anything about by hand. There will always be software that can record what you observe. It's ludicrous to think that could or would ever be prevented. I was pointing out that HUDs, which can and sometimes are banned, are unrelated.

I have not said its rigged I have said I believe its not rigged.

What I have said is I believe it will be rigged in future calling me a rigtard etc assumes I am taking a position I have not taken or advocated.

I got frustrated with pokerstars changes then i found out what Ipoker are planning Micro gamings anonymous tables and a lot of other factors.

after hearing about 888 banning winning players etc, table withstrictions and a lot of other factors.

the only real way to eliminate winning players that take money and cash out is to either hike rake to such an extent that it is basically impossible for someone to win, i say basically because sure if people chip dumped you could beat 49.99% rake in heads up sngs but thats not going to happen and 20% would realistically do it. or to rig the site. currently most sites are going for the former methods at the moment deciding to change games and rake structure. This could be argued as a rig but its misleading to call it that as this is not what most people here think of if you mention rig.

You have engaged your critical thinking facilities and, despite umpteen thousands of posts explaining why rigging the deal is both pointless and dangerous, you believe that sites will eventually find it preferable to the legal methods of which you are clearly well aware.

That means that you obviously have the 'tard mentality but just haven't had it triggered yet.

It's rather like saying: "I don't believe that the moon landings were fake but I believe that it's only a matter of time before NASA does fake an off world landing."

I can check statistics and am mathematically able I keep an eye on results and check these. I am a paranoid person I am aware of that. When I run bad I check to find a rig etc. I work on the basis of total life time hands played and then sample size for bad run etc. if it looks drasticly unlikely within that hand sample size that I would hit a run like that I would then look into exactly how statistically likely it is and if it just should never happen within the data then I can go further and bring it up.

So far despite constant checking after bad runs I have never found something that is not realistic for the hand sample size to happen. Thus I do not allege a rig.

If my its rigged mentality does get triggered I will have stats to prove it.

I am just paranoid about the future of the poker industry i never took well to my targeted game been killed, that's hardly a secret. However after settling down I decided to listen to Montys advice and just adapt to a new game variant.

Which I believe should work well. However I have the constant fear that profits will be killed.

with nearly every site going on about a rec friendly mantra my alarm bells ring.

Maybe they will change games and rake to kill of profit chances rather then tampering with the RNG it would have the same result.

The issue with that is if they hike the rake to high the recs can lose faster anyway even if only to each other to the rake. according to assumptions many make recs wont come back unless there money lasts for so long etc.

I guess there is other ways to make recs last longer that I can think of but all these drastically reduce rake.

Things are faked all the time, or misdirection is applied to hide truths. Research the origins of area 51 a perfect example. I wouldn't trust ANY companies to enforce the implitation of hud banning anyways. Surely most are not making much profits, some cant even payout properly, others are billions in debt and need players help to even start doing anything about it Fter years. But again i'm sure public perception and misleading is far more effective than actually doing something, like thd endless promises of lower rakes and gong show after "player" meetings. Some of you guys still think the industry is run by mother Teresa.

Some people think Mother Teresa was rigged...

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=1268


You hate the industry, so quit playing poker and then you can have ultimately, absolutely nothing to do with it, given that you convince nobody of anything with your paranoid rambles. Your posts drip of bitterness based on being someone who can no longer compete. Too bad for you, but on the bright side, according to you the industry will be gone within 6 months, so follow my advice and save yourself a lot of time that you can use being paranoid about something else that will be around longer. Even Mother Teresa would agree!

All the best.

That's along days work in the thread today Monty, log out go get some fresh air. Did you eat a balanced meal today?

I appreciate your concern, and I decided to give the new posts in the thread a quick read before shutting off the computer today. Most were pretty dull, but what can I say, failures like you make me smile because that shows why others can still succeed in this industry.

It is not a friendly industry as success is based on others being weak, and one of the main concerns with a lot of players is how will the weak stay in the industry. The fact that washed up people like you never quit demonstrates that the concern about the number of weak people dropping, while valid, is not as troublesome as some tend to believe. You should quit all forms of poker and the industry, because you are too weak to compete, but you will not. Thanks for that, as indirectly you help pay me more than the $5 I make per post!

Anyway, I grant you the final word tonight out of a bit of pity. At least make it entertaining - Mother Teresa may be watching...

All the best.

Man I would so love it if I really could get paid $5 per post. I would post like 20 an hour and quit the stress of poker bad beats. I would do 10-12 hours four days a week and doss the other 3 days.

it would be so good. unfortunately it doesnt happen. although I got accused of working for the poker site today. Would be alright If i did would probably get paid a higher hourly rate then my poker playing makes.

sigh.

It would be more normal if he did. Instead we are suppose to believe him, and the others scour the thread for YEars FOR FREE AND FOR FUN.

Pleased to say I have only been dealt quads ONCE the last 5 days when previously I have been dealt almost every days for two months that I played twice 4 times in one day!. Although my tournament set ups have gone 10 fold getting set up beyond belief ( on live tables) in the blinds on pokerstars after posting here. Randomly of course! I'm not saying it's rigged. I'm just saying there are a LOT of neat coincidences that occur. Hoorah! for coincidence!

Nevermind about the quads. Again today. It must be the variance all u industry people talk about, making up for the last 6 years the last two months. It's pretty unreal really.

he's right. when i took a public tour of areas 1 through 50, it was a nice experience. they were very congenial. they served tea and chocolate scones. but they became very adamant and i was nearly ushered out of the place when i attempted to open the hangar door of #51.

Sites cannot be trusted. Period. When I am getting dealt quads just about every day for two months, sometimes 4 in one day all of a sudden, things are rigged. Period. Almost every all in is jacked action. All ins are scripted action. Tournaments are helped alond by forcing all in action with jacked up blind hands. You should not trust sites that have been indicted for fraud, don;t pay out customers, have super users no matter how well they advertise or how many people they force to respond in forums

You keep saying how criminal the sites are, yet you keep supporting them with rake. Until you quit playing all forms of poker, and stop supporting the sites you call criminal, why should anyone take what you say seriously?

I realize you will not give any kind of logical answer to this, the best most riggies come up with is that they still win a little so they just live with the rig, but that is an absurd approach to criminal enterprises.

Seriously, why not quit and encourage every other player to quit. That would at least work alongside your tilty whines.

If nothing else - can you come up with a better rig than a quads rig? Seriously, if a site is going to rig it they will do it on hands that people do not pay attention to, instead of ones that attract attention. You know, like quads.

All the best.

I'm conducting an experiment. 10 minutes. Do you have alerts sent to your phone?

And as we speak another 87% fav all in and lost. Ah well, can;t expect less from sites indicted for fraud

Riggie selective memory, since you ignored that I did not reply to your whines from yesterday about the $5 a post I get paid , as suggested by your fellow riggies. They are the ones who whine that I and other shills are paid to be here, I just happen to annoy them (and apparently you) by playing along with their silly paranoia.

Anyway, I see you ignored my question about why you continue playing at sites you claim are criminals, so given that, one can safely assume you do not believe the games are rigged, rather you are a fake riggie and a very, very standard tilty little whiner.

Better luck in your freerolls, or whatever level games you will claim to play without documentation. That site appreciates your continued business support!

All the best.


P.S. Thanks for the $5...

One can safely assume you are moderately-severely overweight smoker, limited social life with a moderate to severe social anxiety disorder/phobia with untreated agoraphobia

Even your fantasy personalized stalker fantasies suck compared to other riggies/whiners/trolls. No wonder you whine all the time, you are not actually good at anything.

Better luck in your freerolls supporting sites you claim are criminal, and again thanks for the $5.

All the best.

You've been trolling this thread for YEARS, Over 5. Who is the stalker. One might ask why you bother even responding to shut crap but we know why. Where else you gonna go?