Indeed. I'm constantly amazed how often that happens yet the buffoons come away with the pot. It's a strange old world.

On a separate note, can anyone recommend a site that has proven it's software to be fair? I'd like to play a bit online but want to make sure I'm playing in a fair game. I can't find a single site which meets that simple criteria.

If only you were not such a lazy sod you could find that info on your own. It does take some effort, so likely outside it beyond your scope.

Being honest, we both know nothing could ever fit inside your moving goalposts. You real goal is to whine.

Well, it's actually not easy to find. The poker sites themselves do not advertise a fair game, so why would I take your word for it?

Anyway, if you ever do find such a site be sure to let me know.

As always, I'd never do the work for you. Go take a course on Google.

One thing you'll notice is the sites that promote it have almost no traffic. Then again, not a big deal since simple math can find out if a site's RNG is random or not. Flat earthers such as yourself just dont believe in anything but what they hear the voices say.

No need to take anyone's word for anything. Riggies will believe every site is unfair and rigged, because that is what being a riggie is about.

The best advice for riggies is that they never play again, but since seem to need to play a game they think is rigged then my suggestion is do not worry about which room (as they will all be rigged to you) and just deposit a small amount you will not mind losing in the 2NL or 5NL or 25 cent spins or whatever it is you play. Look at whining about imaginary rigs as part of your entertainment value in that scenario, and maybe you will be on the table of the riggie that was going to do 100,000 Spin and Gos with a $0.25 cent buy-in to take down the industry. Big shock that that went nowhere.

If you or any riggie deposits money they will be unhappy losing then that is your problem in the end, though the poker economy appreciates the contribution. Riggies, and their beliefs, have pretty much zero impact in the industry, especially when most continue to generate rake and lose while whining about rigs.

If you have any specific testable riggie theory (odds are you do not as riggies avoid testable details) then post it in the stats forum and get help from people who can explain how to analyze hands yadda yadda - more basic research concepts riggies never do etc. Easier to just whine a lot, and ask others to disprove negatives even if it is in the form of "I cannot find a fair room. Someone prove to me a room is not rigged." Whatever - just do not play.

All the best.

How do we prove pokerbros is fair without the ability to download and analyse hands in PT4/HM? Obviously pokerstars and similar sites are on the level but it amuses me when the affiliates for these apps are so convinced everything on these apps is legit. Not that im not moaning as i have never played a hand on any poker app just would like to know how people are so convinced everything is above board.

Use poker minions and then can upload to PT4. I'm not sure how to do it personally, but have players that have shown me graphs from PB in PT4.

Interesting i wasn't aware that was possible. Nice racket for the guy who made the hud charging $50 a month makes sense hes so vocal when anything negative is mentioned in the PB thread.

Honestly, we have had a fair amount of random chats and I can say with zero hesitation he is a solid guy.

He has spent time helping players after purchase amd not just a ok ne time 30 second thing.

I dont think you can disprove that a site is rigged as there are so many possible ways a site could rig things, you could never think of them all and disprove them all. I think though the emphasis should be on people who cry rig to prove it rather then expecting others to prove it isnt.

In the same way I would have a hard time proving my innocence of all crimes I could have potentially committed, it would be near impossible for me to prove that I have never broken any laws if not impossible. However we would all reasonably expect that it would be on legal enforces to prove me guilty of something not on me to proof myself innocent of all possible wrong doing.

You misunderstand. I'm not asking anyone to disprove anything.

I'd simply like a site that has proven it's deal to be fair, to make it known. There is no such poker site. When one becomes available, I'll give it a try.

No site will be proven to be fair according to your vague, undefined needs, and really - why should anyone care other than you about that. Never play poker again is your best option or deposit what you can afford (10 -20 bucks would be a good guess) and have fun and whine about rigs as part of your entertainment value, or play with play money (you can still say it is rigged and ask others to prove it is not rigged since riggies never do actual work).

All the best.

The argument of rigged or not rigged is irrelevant since ultimately a good player will know when to stop if they believe they're not satisfied with their progress, it's that simple. If you need the opinion of others to finalize your decision, at least know whoever your talking to is not sponsored or a shill (paid/working) for a certain network.

Bottom line, online poker will always be around and it will take years before certain networks prove to be the best options for most or not. Since the botting tech has been a significant issue within the past 10-15 years it has taken networks a lot of resources to combat it or take advantage of, and it's why online poker it's not as profitable or popular as it was 15+ years ago.

You're gonna have a long wait, my friend. Probably impossible to prove that a site has a fair deal.

My advice to you is the same as Monteroy's: Either quit online poker entirely, or deposit a small amount on whatever site you want and amuse yourself observing the incredible suckouts.

Thanks, but I didn't ask for advice from either you or Monteroy. I asked if you knew where I could find a fair game of poker online i.e. a site that is proven to have a fair deal.

I must say, the answers to someone looking for a fair poker site have been most enlightening:

1) Figure it out yourself.
2) Stop playing online.
3) Whether a site is rigged or not is irrelevant.
4) It's impossible to show that a deal is fair.

That certainly tells me all I need to know. Thanks for your input.

Well, receiving unsolicited advice is one of the downsides of posting on a public message board, I suppose.

Having said that, I believe our advice to you to be quite sound.

What would constitute proof of a site having a fair deal?

To put it another way, what would a site have to do to prove to you that their deal is fair? That is, what constitutes proof?

Mundane riggies like that will never make it clear and testable what they need to satisfy their irrelevant paranoid concerns. Asking them is a waste of time as you will just get more vague disprove negative ramblings in reply, because other people doing their work for them is all they know how to do. Even though it is their choice whether to play and where to play - they still demand others to endlessly prove to them that it is "fair." Riggies can do their own research and make their own minds up where to risk their pocket change.



As I said - no site will be considered fair based on your paranoid, vague, undefined requirements, and if you really want more "industry" feedback then feel free to post your silly question as a new thread in this forum or NVG and see the replies you get instead of asking in a low traffic riggie thread, where you will be correctly dismissed as a mundane riggie. At least the nutjob who planned to bring down the industry grinding 25 cent spins was mildly amusing, and that is what this thread is about - riggies who provide actual comic relief.

Anyway, just quit playing poker (best advice for you) or assume it is rigged against you in the 2NL games you play and accept losing an amount you can afford to the evil rigged system, believing the buck a year in rake you generate matters to the universe.

In the end - "figure it out yourself" is exactly right. Stop being so whiny and lazy. If playing online poker matters to you, and finding a room that is "fair" matters to you - then you do the research you need to make that choice. Time for you to be a grown up.

All the best.

I thought I might be coming down with a touch of déjà vu so I just read your last 250+ posts in this thread and came across this, (your first?), one about your same point, from about 11 months ago.

I suppose that when someone has a mind like yours, it's simple.

All of you, stop tapping the glass.

That dude has 250 posts in this thread of the prove sites are not rigged nonsense? I would wonder how I missed that, but then 2020 was a weird year where my energy was basically figuring out a way to handle all the money Trumpderps wants to throw at me, so I cannot say I remember much from this thread from 2020, and I barely remember posters and chats from this throwaway thread in normal times.

That dude sounds like the equivalent of long outdated government issued cheese for the military. Nobody wants to eat it, and nobody remembers it after as best as possible, but technically it can solve hunger, but it is always unsatisfying.

I like their inability to use Google. Open source algorithm RNG brings up several sites. None of which have any real traffic. The allure of that is very minor since most people can utilize math He was the one you termed boredom riggie. Thinking rlazy edundant riggie is more apropos.

You could have spent that time looking for poker site that was proven to be fair and answered my question.

My nickname seems on point. 250 posts of repetitive riggie commandment #1 whining. No wonder his user name did not show up on my riggie list. The dude is the living embodiment of boredom.

Never let anyone tell you this game isn't rigged. I wasted a year of my life on this riggery before moving on, and now do sports betting. Poker is utterly small time in comparison, much harder, and the sites will ensure you NEVER hit your EV.

With poker no matter how much studying, using ICMizer, whatever, I could never even get to 25nl. Explain that?

Poker reality: hours and hours of your day grinding for peanuts, often giving up a large percentage to a staker. The vast majority of even winning players have an hourly in the single digits - often low single digits.

All this is because the site tries to equalise your winnings with your losses to spread the money between you and the fish, ensuring no one wins too much or loses too much and they can eventually take it all in rake. You'll be kept in a designated winnings band appropriate to your stakes, and no matter what you do you will never be able to beat their rig.

Sports, the final result is outside of the control of the site, so no potential for riggery, you either accept the odds offered or don't. So glad I ditched poker, but this thread was a blast from the past, the same shills posting the same garbage. Don't think for one second they aren't paid by the sites to perform this task year after year.

Thanks for taking 249 for the team, Mike.