Look at the affiliates spamming this thread likening the rigged dealings to bad Poker playing. Short sited view. It's like blaming a person for continually having there wallet stolen for leaving it in there back pocket. Disreguard the thief who continually steals it and put the blame on the other.

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The upper tier of Pokersites cannot be trusted. EVERY MAJOR SITE has been involved in a scandal!

Am I going to believe that a service they provide me is going to be legit! When they won't even audit the full thing!

FAck NO!!

No, its like disregarding the claim by the person that someone stole the wallet he always keeps in his back pocket, when there's no evidence of a thief, and there's a big hole in his pocket.

Than I guess when thousands of people go to the same spot and all have their wallets jacked, they all have holes in their pockets.

Why do you guys keep talking to him when he re-appears in new iterations. Play that bingo card game with him if need be (that is sort of funny), or invent a new one with up to date words.

Otherwise, simply ignore him - the thread becomes totally unentertaining when he is talked at over and over (accomplishing nothing) and becomes the main character. You going to debate the logic of pocket holes with him now? Good luck!

He scares off better and more fun riggies like whoever will be the next one that will replace the one from last week we all forgot about that said he would never be forgotten (the third person riggie).

Chat with addiction riggie if need be, or dig up the manslaughter riggie or the riggie that posted pictures of dudes - anything but this guy's return to glory like when he ran over all the shills who paid attention to him last time.

As opposed to riggies, who put all the blame on an evil rig that causes them to lose money, and ignore that they hilariously misplay hands constantly.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the people who most clearly see the rig also happen to almost always be horrible, horrible poker players.

Arouet, Otatop, Monteroy ..


Here they come, like little army ants

Regular posters in a thread on a forum post regularly.

More at 11.

I don't think I've addressed him before (in this iteration anyway)- I thought up what I thought was a clever response and posted it. Which was entertaining for me!

Is anybody going to believe your crazy opinions! When you can't spell really simple words!

I usually only browse this thread just for amusement, but this post strikes me an as the most factual out of the 500+ recent posts and it would be a shame if it went unnoticed.

Also any explanation by RNG-rig-fraction for those mechanisms should be quite sportful.

Funny thing is, many of you shills, affiliates or employees don't even play online poker!

There's that bizarre rigtard definition of "many" again.

They obviously do, which is why they post it.

Its an obvious concept, but would take some time and effort to come up with ways to employ it... if it was worth it, it could be done. however its probably not easy to trace without checking extensive stat comparisons between good and bad player pools.

So you are basically saying you are a patronising and condescending w**ker... fair enough.

Your other points were decent but dont answer the question of how they would keep bad players alive longer.

Does anyone know Factually if RNG sets out the total outcome of hand before it is dealt out or if it is done on the fly?
Will calling a bet on the turn in 2 secs or 10 secs effect the outcome of the next card or is it already pre-determined?

Employing your logic...

Given that you are one of the most frequent posters in this thread, it's obvious you're being paid to post here - whom do you work for?

Depends on the site. FT and PS used to be (and probably still are) the opposite in this respect, but I can't recall know which one does it which way.

Thanks for the response Bobo.
I really didnt think it would be that way.Made a bet with a friend that it wasnt,So i just lost a quick $100

Is ther anyway to find out how each sites RNG works when it comes to this matter?

Probably on their websites - I'm pretty sure that Stars at least has published their method.

email them

Riggies have raw concepts that may or may not apply, but they get distracted by their self centered bad beats for spare change, and lose any focus on how the world works (where their spare change really does not matter)

Look at what Party and Revolution are doing now. Look at what many, many sites before have done to tweak the game mix of players.

I have mentioned those many times before but riggies ignore them in favor of small stacks losing (or winning) and flush draws and royal flushes happening too often.

A couple networks are joining others that are doing systemic segregation of players, and why would they bother to do this if they had some lizard person inspired RnG rig that did it all magically (as riggies propose). If they had that magic rig programmed by people who never spoke about it then the last thing they would do is draw attention to the rig by advertising how they are segregating games. Why even segregate games if the `rig`does it for you.


There are genuine issues in this industry and riggies drone on about freerolls and new player boom switches. Of course I am condescending to that because it is naive and clueless to how the real world works.

I am open about how I regard this thread - it is turn off brain and listen to paranoid people whine about their lot in life, and I have a bit of fun with that, nothing more. My posts differ quite a bit on topics that actually matter.



There is nothing I can say that will let you get it, because doing so might make you question your place in the poker universe with regard to your relative skill.

They aint out to get you or any riggie. They are looking at how the money moves and tweaking how the lobbies and games work to give donks like you an actual chance. This has nothing to do with the RnG, it is simply how the non Pokerstars rooms and networks are adapting to stay alive in a more competitive environment.

There are many other threads on those topics, but I never see any riggies in those because rigged RnGs have nothing to do with them. What would you have me say - I know what you guys are and what you need top believe, and I enjoy that within the narrow context of this thread which provides entertainment but is of no importance to this industry outside of this thread. Welcome to the real world, but do not worry - a riggie will be along here soon to toss some repetitive personal attack to distract from all of this scary stuff . You are safe here.

All the best.

Stars (now) claims they use a static shuffle, meaning the cards are set before the first card is dealt. However, nothing prevents them from flipping through the deck to deal whatever they like, depending how the hand plays out.

Tilt, and many other sites, used (don't know about now) a dynamic shuffle, where the shuffle continued at all times such that the timing of player actions dictated what card(s) would be dealt next. Presumably this made it easier to flip through the deck to find the cards they wanted to deal. Can you think of ANY other reason to use a dynamic shuffle?

The RNG, as a stand alone program, can be as functional and random as they claim but so long as they can flip through the deck and chose whatever cards they want to deal, it doesn't matter one bit.

We come to a terminology thing here.

The RNGs of both sites work in a similar but slightly different way, in how they gather entropy.

I think what you are referring to though are the shuffle mechanics, based on the RNG output (?)

Stars collects entropy, shuffles a deck, then that's it. No further action influences what cards are dealt in which order.

FTP uses a continuous shuffle. The next card(s) to be dealt are not known until they are required at the table, so on FTP it is true to say that if you had clicked the call button 2 seconds later the river card you got would probably have been different.

In what way ?

Yes I can. Can you ? (I'm not saying that a continuous shuffle would be my choice if I was in charge, btw)

Or not! Pokersite can still filp through the remaining deck to find whatever card(s) they want to deal.

The RNG is the ONLY component of the software EVER released for testing and Audit. I'm sure it works just fine but who cares!? NOTHING prevents Pokersite from dealing whatever remaining cards they like to work the rig.