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02-28-2013 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
tl;dr fish loses money playing poker, decides it's rigged against him.
Ohhhhhhh,TY

Pretty sure ive read that one before than.
Keep reading the same story from diff people itt.wierd huh?
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02-28-2013 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
tl;dr fish loses money playing poker, decides it's rigged against him.
Actually I've still profited quite a lot, and I've won a lot more money than I've lost in my 2 year long poker career.

I decided it's rigged against me because it makes sense to me. That is because I believe that poker rooms can earn money by rigging it against players who are addicted in the favour of new costumers. Then new costumers will have a positive experience while winning and become addicted. By this strategy they gain more and more customers. This theory fits 100% with the timing of my winning and losing streaks during my entire poker career.
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02-28-2013 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Faen
Actually I've still profited quite a lot, and I've won a lot more money than I've lost in my 2 year long poker career.

I decided it's rigged against me because it makes sense to me. That is because I believe that poker rooms can earn money by rigging it against players who are addicted in the favour of new costumers. Then new costumers will have a positive experience while winning and become addicted. By this strategy they gain more and more customers. This theory fits 100% with the timing of my winning and losing streaks during my entire poker career.
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02-28-2013 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Faen
Actually I've still profited quite a lot, and I've won a lot more money than I've lost in my 2 year long poker career.
Jamie Gold won $12 million, doesn't mean he's good at poker.
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02-28-2013 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Jamie Gold won $12 million, doesn't mean he's good at poker.
I don't even know who he is. At least I have profited in my 2 year long poker career. Have you?
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02-28-2013 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Faen
I don't even know who he is. At least I have profited in my 2 year long poker career. Have you?
Should we celebrate for Otatops 7000 post? Clap? Bow? Laugh?
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02-28-2013 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Faen
I don't even know who he is.
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At least I have profited in my 2 year long poker career. Have you?
Nope. I dug myself quite a hole when I first started (playing 100NL with a $100 bankroll when you need a card by your monitor to remind you of hand strengths doesn't end well, and redepositing trying to clear a bonus helps even less) and never played seriously enough once I started following bankroll management to make it up.

I mean, uh...no I haven't profited because it's super duper rigged against me.
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Should we celebrate for Otatops 7000 post? Clap? Bow? Laugh?
I've averaged 4.17 posts per day, with 70% of them in other forums, and so far you're at 2.67, with the vast majority in this thread.

Sick burn, though.
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02-28-2013 , 06:09 PM
just played a few more hands.. after 1 hour of missing the flop, I flopped full house. Opponent had trips. But in the end another card paird so both got same full house. Then I flopped set of J's.. But guess what, opponent had set of kings.. Guess this bs site called titan poker still makes it physically impossible for me to profit..
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02-28-2013 , 06:37 PM
Well at least we have a new riggie theory...the let you win early to get you addicted one.
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02-28-2013 , 06:42 PM
Why are Party and iPoker segregating/trying to segregate regs from fish when they're already rigging it so regs lose to fish?
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02-28-2013 , 06:50 PM
As I continued to play this session it went inevitably bad as always these days. Lost AJ vs KJ, AK vs KK among other ****ed up bad beats. No good wins in between. I give up for this session. Sucks I can't play real poker anywhere online
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02-28-2013 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Why are Party and iPoker segregating/trying to segregate regs from fish when they're already rigging it so regs lose to fish?
How did you turn regs and fish into relevant variables?
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02-28-2013 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Faen
As I continued to play this session it went inevitably bad as always these days. Lost AJ vs KJ, AK vs KK among other ****ed up bad beats. No good wins in between. I give up for this session. Sucks I can't play real poker anywhere online
Why have you still never bothered trying to post in strategy forums here?
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Originally Posted by Faen
How did you turn regs and fish into relevant variables?
Huh?
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02-28-2013 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Faen
As I continued to play this session it went inevitably bad as always these days. Lost AJ vs KJ, AK vs KK among other ****ed up bad beats. No good wins in between. I give up for this session. Sucks I can't play real poker anywhere online
Seriously,all jokes aside...
What you need to do is post in the stratgey forums or perhaps the beginners forum and work on your game a bit.You sounds alot like someone that just started to play NLH and doesnt seem to grasp variance and or EV.
Do yourself a favor and look into a study group or post some hands in the forums to see exactly if and what you are doing wrong.

Losing and saying that the site is rigged because youre now "addicted" is just ridiculous.
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02-28-2013 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Faen
I decided it's rigged against me because it makes sense to me. That is because I believe that poker rooms can earn money by rigging it against players who are addicted in the favour of new costumers. Then new costumers will have a positive experience while winning and become addicted. By this strategy they gain more and more customers. This theory fits 100% with the timing of my winning and losing streaks during my entire poker career.
I'll give you this - at least you're honest about it. Pretty sure that's the same criteria most riggies use - it feels like it's rigged, they can see motivation for it to be rigged, so they think it must be rigged.

Of course whatever they suspect is happening should be provable through hand histories, but most can't be bothered, don't believe it can be done without everyone's hole cards, or would never be convinced by mountain-loads of evidence anyway.
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02-28-2013 , 08:49 PM
i got addicted to directing traffic in my hospital gown.
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02-28-2013 , 10:01 PM
The addiction based rig has been said before. Very few truly new rigs are proposed at this point.

Anyway, riggies never quite get that at times their general concepts have some merit (ie: the sites would love the bad players to lose slower), but they fail to see how the companies actually do these things in the real world. A few examples:



Riggies believe in action hands to increase rake (even though they do not).

The sites believe in Zoom/Rush structures which crank out the hands, and multiple entry tournaments (with rake paid for each entry), which generate a ton of rake and the players love the formats.



Riggies say the sites create bustout hands for small stacks hours into a tournament so that they end faster.

The sites actually create faster and faster formats (hyper turbos) that do that naturally, and the players love playing them.



Riggies propose new player boom switches and futuristic AL based rigs that adjust on the fly for "fish" and "sharks."

The sites break up their networks (like ipoker) where the smaller shark based rakeback sites have to play against each other, while the casino sites with poker donks (and lower rakeback benefits) play on their own tables.

Party just starting experimenting with this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...nrate-1305468/




Have you riggies figured it out yet? Many of your concerns have something to them in a very general sense, but how you believe the sites actually run their business is where you escape from the real world. The irony is that they do changes that have far more impact than all of your theories, and most of them are openly embraced by the players as well.

The rig is there, just not in the way you guys imagine. That's why this thread is a fun little break for me, the real world has much stronger competition and forces at work than cute little "my AA lost to AK riggzors" protests.

That's why I tell all riggies they should quit online poker (unless they play casually with throwaway money). Riggies cannot compete with the real world.

All the best.
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02-28-2013 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Six Finger Nate
Well at least we have a new riggie theory...the let you win early to get you addicted one.
Kind of reminds me of the first ever hand I had on a certain network (forgot which one).
Was dealt AJs, and flopped a royal flush. Money went in, some fish had T3o or something. Mind you that was the VERY first hand I was ever dealt into that place.

I don't believe online poker is rigged, but sometimes it makes you think...
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02-28-2013 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SheepMoose
Kind of reminds me of the first ever hand I had on a certain network (forgot which one).
Was dealt AJs, and flopped a royal flush. Money went in, some fish had T3o or something. Mind you that was the VERY first hand I was ever dealt into that place.

I don't believe online poker is rigged, but sometimes it makes you think...
And obviously royal flush is much less likely on the first hand than other times.
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02-28-2013 , 11:17 PM
My first hand on any poker site has never been a royal flush.

They must have decided not to send the addiction rig my way.
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02-28-2013 , 11:23 PM
it is obvious it is rigged. isnt it? i mean if it were legit, dumb people would win and smart people would win, even more. oh wait, i m confused now, who loses then??? ooh it must be rigged. and did you noticed that certain players never lose. yes. never. win every flip, get every draw, hit every one outer. ffs. rigged. and others, the good ones, altough they play optimal (timemachine->2008) always lose. and who cares for stats, they rig them too. yes. i saw it with my own eyes. i lost AA vs AK, which is impossible by itselfs because there is, at best only one ace left, but it happended. and my stats show that i m not unlucky. yes. it must be rigged. truly. i know it and you know it. end of discussion. we can only discuss the various forms of rigging (RNG, donksitting, SN-SNE favours, etc). because it is obvious it is rigged. i mean. i m god. there is no one smarter than me. and ev, wtf is ev???

so let me finish with a quote from my own "it must be rigged, it s obvious"
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02-28-2013 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by goofella
it is obvious it is rigged. isnt it? i mean if it were legit, dumb people would win and smart people would win, even more. oh wait, i m confused now, who loses then??? ooh it must be rigged. and did you noticed that certain players never lose. yes. never. win every flip, get every draw, hit every one outer. ffs. rigged. and others, the good ones, altough they play optimal (timemachine->2008) always lose. and who cares for stats, they rig them too. yes. i saw it with my own eyes. i lost AA vs AK, which is impossible by itselfs because there is, at best only one ace left, but it happended. and my stats show that i m not unlucky. yes. it must be rigged. truly. i know it and you know it. end of discussion. we can only discuss the various forms of rigging (RNG, donksitting, SN-SNE favours, etc). because it is obvious it is rigged. i mean. i m god. there is no one smarter than me. and ev, wtf is ev???

so let me finish with a quote from my own "it must be rigged, it s obvious"
Exactly
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03-01-2013 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hankwhite69
Seriously,all jokes aside...
What you need to do is post in the stratgey forums or perhaps the beginners forum and work on your game a bit.You sounds alot like someone that just started to play NLH and doesnt seem to grasp variance and or EV.
Do yourself a favor and look into a study group or post some hands in the forums to see exactly if and what you are doing wrong.

Losing and saying that the site is rigged because youre now "addicted" is just ridiculous.
Ya! At least they won't call you names there. Oh, wait...forget I said that.

Trust your instincts until the rig is eventually exposed. Your experience and thoughts are consistent with EVERY rig theory. I suspect it's a plug-in type program (turned on or off at will) to alter the odds/outcome (most of the time). However, I don't think they are punishing anyone specifically; I think it more likely they are rewarding morons who would surely lose their buy-in forthwith and stop playing (contributing to the rake). I've experimented with playing like a tool and the miracle rewards are just too frequent, but still not profitable. (i.e. still lose more than 50% of 30% and 40% equity hands - but only barely)

Either the shills here have other interests to protect or they somehow haven't experienced the persistent miracles we have.

Last edited by 3ozBacardi; 03-01-2013 at 12:56 AM.
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03-01-2013 , 01:18 AM
Or those miracles aren't that miraculous.
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