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03-24-2012 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
its such a joke after a good day its close to impossible to win, outdrawn set againt set 4 times in short duration by turn and river

anyone have a good explination for that? just check PTR and see the huge amount of times there a huge downswing day followed after the "best day" mark

of course everyone who isnt a site promoter knows its the system spreading money even, no fun in just a few big winners eh?
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
bull****, variance could go both ways, so nothing saying i have to run bad
You can't understand why you might have a bad day after your best day and there is nothing to say you are to run bad after your best day.Hmmm...
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03-24-2012 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
Nothing. It was a simple statement. Problem?
i asked a reasonable question about a comment you made and instead of a simple answer you prefer to go the sarcastic/hostile way

i'm trying to be open minded about all options without attacking anyone.
should try to do the same
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03-24-2012 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by czechraiser
But an infinite quantity of, say, oil, would not be an eternal quantity of oil.
Or of, say, poker hands.
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03-24-2012 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
And a roulette wheel will come up with 15 consecutive same color spins on average every 16K spins, which happens frequently in a busy casino, possibly even daily.
Before someone jumps on this I'll correct it. I used 50/50 as a quick estimate late last night when of course a color is 48.65% with a single zero wheel and 47.37% on double zero. So that would give us 15 consecutive same color on average every 24K spins or 35K spins, respectively (1/P^14). Same point. It happens a lot.

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 03-24-2012 at 10:41 AM.
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03-24-2012 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Or of, say, poker hands.
But it would take an eternity to play an infinite number of poker hands. Even if you multi-tabled.
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03-24-2012 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
But it would take an eternity to play an infinite number of poker hands. Even if you multi-tabled.
What if you multi-tabled an infinite number of tables?
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03-24-2012 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
What if you multi-tabled an infinite number of tables?
Just one round if they are simultaneous deals.
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03-24-2012 , 11:21 AM
so mega ******ed, thats the third K K vs A A today so far..

dont know whats its with me and that.. hardly ever see kings myself..

im gonna enjoy watching my DB if you ever can filter specific hands vs hands

Last edited by Hoooligan; 03-24-2012 at 11:26 AM.
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03-24-2012 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
I did go there and i get something like 2600 big blinds under ev in worst case with a winrate of 0 breakeven player. That would mean at limits of 0.05/0.10$ that you can run under ev 260$ in worst case after 100000 hands. Is this right?
So if you run more than 260$ under ev than something is wrong right?
And how can i know what my standard deviation is?
no... it would most likely mean that 0 bb/100 isnt your true winrate and that its almost certainly lower

i believe that you can find your standard deviation in the tracking programs
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03-24-2012 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
I did go there and i get something like 2600 big blinds under ev in worst case with a winrate of 0 breakeven player. That would mean at limits of 0.05/0.10$ that you can run under ev 260$ in worst case after 100000 hands. Is this right?
No. That's the worst case in the simulation you ran, but it's not the absolute worst case.
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So if you run more than 260$ under ev than something is wrong right?
Something might be wrong.
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And how can i know what my standard deviation is?
It's a standard stat in HEM, I think it even shows up as a default. Load your hands into HEM, go to the reports tab, and look for "SD bb/100" or something like that.
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
its such a joke after a good day its close to impossible to win, outdrawn set againt set 4 times in short duration by turn and river
You had a good day yesterday even without winning that tournament you were "winning"?
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03-24-2012 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
You had a good day yesterday even without winning that tournament you were "winning"?
His unrealistic expectations cause him to become confused and irrational. But he's still more entertaining than BR.
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03-24-2012 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
His unrealistic expectations cause him to become confused and irrational. But he's still more entertaining than BR.
why are you scared that this thread go's another way then the usual bashing
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03-24-2012 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bel20
why are you scared that this thread go's another way then the usual bashing
LOL. What gives you the idea that anyone is scared. We have BR to do the heavy work of scaring away anyone that is not already deranged and the remaining riggies are nothing more than entertainment fodder. BTW, whose gimmick are you?
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03-24-2012 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bel20
i know i lost 3 times the amount then allin ev is telling me(posted graph) somewhere is this thread
The graph you posted was just of tournament results, not individual hands.
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how can i filter out the hands that didn't end in all in but that had the same change of hand value from lets say turn to river or even runner runner .
You can filter for situations, like having X% equity on the flop and then you can look at what the % changed to on the turn.

The reason people are "bashing" you is because your posts are incredibly vague, to the point that it's not really clear whether you think it's rigged or not.
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03-24-2012 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
The graph you posted was just of tournament results, not individual hands.You can filter for situations, like having X% equity on the flop and then you can look at what the % changed to on the turn.

The reason people are "bashing" you is because your posts are incredibly vague, to the point that it's not really clear whether you think it's rigged or not.
first of all do you have an idea how to do that with hem2
second maybe my posts or not so clear bc om my English knowledge

and for the last after my own experience of playing online more then 6 years i really can't believe its not rigged

this is my opinion and why should that be a reason to bash anyone, you don't see me talk crap about the one's that believe its not

why would the ev line be so much different bc its of sng then when it would be of cash games tryst me it don't look pretty when you see it happening while playing

Last edited by bel20; 03-24-2012 at 02:28 PM. Reason: forgot something
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03-24-2012 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
LOL. What gives you the idea that anyone is scared. We have BR to do the heavy work of scaring away anyone that is not already deranged and the remaining riggies are nothing more than entertainment fodder. BTW, whose gimmick are you?
what do you mean with gimmick?
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03-24-2012 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bel20
what do you mean with gimmick?
A gimmick is a new account started by someone just for a laugh.

It was a joke. Don't worry, looking at you last few posts I don't think you are a gimmick.
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03-24-2012 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
A gimmick is a new account started by someone just for a laugh.

It was a joke. Don't worry, looking at you last few posts I don't think you are a gimmick.
np nice to see at least this is settled
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03-24-2012 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bel20
first of all do you have an idea how to do that with hem2
I do not, as I don't have HEM2. I also just discovered that you can't filter for what you asked for with the default filters in HEM. I apologize for that.

There might be a way to make custom filters somehow, but I'm no good at that. HEM has a forum and a custom filters section on their website, I think, so you can try there if no one here knows how.

This thread probably isn't the best place to look for HEM filter advice, though.
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03-24-2012 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
The rigged system isnt cut and dry. If it was, it would be too obvious.
Are you the same blatantlyrigged that has said perhaps 400 or more times in this thread that the rig is blatant and obvious?
Perhaps you should change your username to "NOTblatantlyrigged".
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03-24-2012 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Are you the same blatantlyrigged that has said perhaps 400 or more times in this thread that the rig is blatant and obvious?
Perhaps you should change your username to "NOTblatantlyrigged".
Blatantly******ed seem the most appropriate if he's going to change.
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03-24-2012 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bel20
first of all do you have an idea how to do that with hem2
second maybe my posts or not so clear bc om my English knowledge

and for the last after my own experience of playing online more then 6 years i really can't believe its not rigged

this is my opinion and why should that be a reason to bash anyone, you don't see me talk crap about the one's that believe its not

why would the ev line be so much different bc its of sng then when it would be of cash games tryst me it don't look pretty when you see it happening while playing
bel,
Find someone who knows something about stats and who knows how to use tracking software. Once you do that, you can run your data. Once you do that, you can post your findings if something is amiss. Don't be thrown by a lot of the crap that you will find ITT. If you request, though, even someone here will probably be able to direct you better than I. To be fair, if you do an analysis, please post the results no matter what the conclusion.
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03-24-2012 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bel20
first of all do you have an idea how to do that with hem2
I can give you the idea for HEM1.
FILTERS>EDIT>MORE FILTERS>Flop Filters>"All in on flop=true"
And scroll down to Other Filters>"All in Win% is bigger than..."
Click on "add this filter" and type a number, like 70%. SAVE & CLOSE. Look at all that profit. (Unless you've got a very small sample, or have run exceptionally badly, you should be making a ton of cash when you get all in as a 70% favourite.)
You can also add "All in Win is less than 80%" so you can see how well you do when your equity is between 70 and 80%.
You can also add the stat "Won Hand %" to whichever report you're looking at.
When I run the filter described above (Between 70 and 80% equity, all in on the flop), I only won 61% of the hands, so I experienced more than my fair share of suck outs, but my sample is hoooligan-lol-sized, so it's virtually meaningless. You're not gonna spot a "pattern" of rigging unless you've got millions of all in hands to check. Which is where http://ispokerrigged.com/ comes in.
Why bother looking for patterns in your own tiny sample, when there's mountains of evidence already out there that nothing untoward is happening on the major networks?
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03-24-2012 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
I can give you the idea for HEM1.
FILTERS>EDIT>MORE FILTERS>Flop Filters>"All in on flop=true"
And scroll down to Other Filters>"All in Win% is bigger than..."
He wants to look at hands that weren't all ins.
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03-24-2012 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
I can give you the idea for HEM1.
FILTERS>EDIT>MORE FILTERS>Flop Filters>"All in on flop=true"
And scroll down to Other Filters>"All in Win% is bigger than..."
Click on "add this filter" and type a number, like 70%. SAVE & CLOSE. Look at all that profit. (Unless you've got a very small sample, or have run exceptionally badly, you should be making a ton of cash when you get all in as a 70% favourite.)
You can also add "All in Win is less than 80%" so you can see how well you do when your equity is between 70 and 80%.
You can also add the stat "Won Hand %" to whichever report you're looking at.
When I run the filter described above (Between 70 and 80% equity, all in on the flop), I only won 61% of the hands, so I experienced more than my fair share of suck outs, but my sample is hoooligan-lol-sized, so it's virtually meaningless. You're not gonna spot a "pattern" of rigging unless you've got millions of all in hands to check. Which is where http://ispokerrigged.com/ comes in.
Why bother looking for patterns in your own tiny sample, when there's mountains of evidence already out there that nothing untoward is happening on the major networks?
actually hem2 has an option called races that do's that but i'm looking what happens with hands that don't end allin.
400k+ hands is hardly what you call tiny
tx anyways
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