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03-21-2012 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tompakee
In the ******ed words of BR

Spoiler:
^^^^this+324567 BAJILLIONZZZZZZZZ
I struggle to imagine anyone taking BR at all seriously, except perhaps a new reader of the thread before he has read more than one of his posts.
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03-21-2012 , 04:03 PM
plenty of aces in 6max too


Player5 posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$0.02 USD].
Player2 posts big blind + dead [$0.03 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Kd ]
Hero raises [$0.18 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$1.97 USD]
Player4 raises [$2.96 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Hero calls [$1.85 USD]
Player4 wins $0.93 USD
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, Jh, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
Hero shows [Kh, Kd ]
Player4 shows [Ah, As ]
Player4 wins $0.12 USD from main pot
Player3 shows [Ad, Ac ]
Player3 wins $2.88 USD from main pot
Player4 wins $2.88 USD from main pot
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03-21-2012 , 04:17 PM
Hmmm, anyone else finding this thread getting boring again? It goes through waves...
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03-21-2012 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
plenty of aces in 6max too


Player5 posts small blind [$0.01 USD].
Player6 posts big blind [$0.02 USD].
Player2 posts big blind + dead [$0.03 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Kd ]
Hero raises [$0.18 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$1.97 USD]
Player4 raises [$2.96 USD]
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Hero calls [$1.85 USD]
Player4 wins $0.93 USD
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, Jh, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
Hero shows [Kh, Kd ]
Player4 shows [Ah, As ]
Player4 wins $0.12 USD from main pot
Player3 shows [Ad, Ac ]
Player3 wins $2.88 USD from main pot
Player4 wins $2.88 USD from main pot
i'm surprised the 5th ace didnt hit the flop
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03-21-2012 , 04:19 PM
we surrendered.. and came to the conclusion that even with a very high win rate, poker wont give you any kind of money :P
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03-21-2012 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Suzukishosan
i'm surprised the 5th ace didnt hit the flop

1 was probably calculated to come, but of course the rigged rng doesnt allow 5 at once.
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03-21-2012 , 04:24 PM
20$ in 1300 hands, should do this more often for eeeeeeezmode, I DISCOVERED DA HOOOLIGAN LIMITZ
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03-21-2012 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Hmmm, anyone else finding this thread getting boring again? It goes through waves...
Needs some new riggies or the old ones to get a rage on again
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03-21-2012 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
You're misunderstanding just how much variation there is in coin-flipping.
Six heads or six tails in a row happens a lot more often than you probably imagine. In 1913, the roulette wheel at the Monte Carlo casino came up black 26 times in a row. Was it rigged? No.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy and pay particular attention to the image on the right showing a simulation of coin-tosses. Tell me how many times you'd have to flip the coin until there are exactly 50% heads and 50% tails.
Or try it yourself. Start flipping a coin and write down the results. Come back to the thread when you've flipped it an infinite number of times.
Yes six head or six tail can happen in a row but its much less likely that the same can happen with six million.
Thats what you have to understand.
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03-21-2012 , 06:40 PM
Lets say you play nl or pl 0.05/0.10 limits and you play lets say 100000 hands. Now how big can the variance be? In worst case how many big blinds you can run under ev?
This is really something people should know because then they can evaluate their statistics much better.
Pokerstars is the site where i run under ev more than any other site. But most time you run under ev always that looks like policy of poker sites but how much stats can go worse?
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03-21-2012 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
Thats what you have to understand.
Please stop talking to us like we're the idiots. You repeatedly state something that is clearly wrong and when it is explained to you, you ignore it and carry on. Fun for a while but it is getting boring now.
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03-21-2012 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
Lets say you play nl or pl 0.05/0.10 limits and you play lets say 100000 hands. Now how big can the variance be? In worst case how many big blinds you can run under ev?
This all depends on your winrate and standard deviation.
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This is really something people should know because then they can evaluate their statistics much better.
Agreed, yet I find it odd that you seem to hate the ev++ simulator. There's literally no better tool for giving a simple to understand evaluation of your winrate and standard deviation stats.
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But most time you run under ev always that looks like policy of poker sites but how much stats can go worse?
Yes, most times you run under EV, because that's somehow possible. You must be the guy Monteroy was talking about.
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03-21-2012 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Please stop talking to us like we're the idiots. You repeatedly state something that is clearly wrong and when it is explained to you, you ignore it and carry on. Fun for a while but it is getting boring now.
This is agreed. These site promoters arent idiots. They flood this thread with one purpose. To cloud the judgement of whoever will be taken in by their b.s. into believing OLP is not manipulated. Its never been fun, has always been a bore, and annoying as hell.
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03-22-2012 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
Lets say you play nl or pl 0.05/0.10 limits and you play lets say 100000 hands. Now how big can the variance be? In worst case how many big blinds you can run under ev?
We've done this before, but let's do it again. Below is a graph from the variance simulator. The dotted line represents the expected value. The coloured lines represent the winnings of 10 typical players. In this example, I've given them long-term winrates of 5bb/100 and a standard deviation of 80bb/100, which is typical for a TAG player.

Look at the red line at the bottom. That player ends up making no money at all in 100,000 hands. He's not running at 90% of EV, or 50% of EV. He's running at 0% of EV.
This is what YOU have to understand. It is perfectly NORMAL for some decent players to play 100,000 hands and MAKE NO MONEY WHATSOEVER.
Break-even runs of 100,000 hands are fairly uncommon, but they still happen.
The graph below shows 100 players with the same expected winrate. You can probably tell that most of them run close to EV, half of them above and half below.

About 5 of the lines end up below zero. What that means - in language even you should be able to understand - is that, over a 100,000 hand sample, about 5% of players that usually win 5bb/100 will lose money, purely because of bad luck.
If you're in the 5% group of the good but very unlucky players that lose money over a large sample, it truly sucks, but someone has to be unlucky. At the top of the graph are the guys that run like god. They are winning more than double their expected value. It should be obvious that you can't have everyone running exactly the same, because the dealing of cards is RANDOM, not rigged.
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03-22-2012 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
the dealing of cards is RANDOM, not rigged.
LOL
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03-22-2012 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
This is agreed. These site promoters arent idiots. They flood this thread with one purpose. To cloud the judgement of whoever will be taken in by their b.s. into believing OLP is not manipulated. Its never been fun, has always been a bore, and annoying as hell.
Except for when you post drivel like this then it gets really fun


Keep up the good work
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03-22-2012 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tompakee
Except for when you post drivel like this then it gets really fun
BR's schtick is getting very old and lame now. No one believes he's a real riggie. He's just another shill with a different line. Of course, he does sabotage the riggies cause by making all riggies look like complete ******s.
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03-22-2012 , 07:16 AM
i picked a bad lottery ticket the first half

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03-22-2012 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
i picked a bad lottery ticket the first half
Did you know the lottery is rigged?
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03-22-2012 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
Did you know the lottery is rigged?
Say it aint true!!!!!! Evidence?????


Keep up the good work
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03-22-2012 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkus63
Did you know the lottery is rigged?

obviously, but would have made more sense to boomswitch me the other half in the start, and dry me out later (fresh account)
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03-22-2012 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoooligan
obviously, but would have made more sense to boomswitch me the other half in the start, and dry me out later (fresh account)
Amazes me how you can come to this thread every day and tell these fairy stories.


Keep up the good work
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03-22-2012 , 08:29 AM
I actually declined it, because that kind of method doesnt match my logic

Would obviously be way better to boost the win rate for new players, and have them pay back later to other new players (addicted to the game by then, so they wouldnt care if they run bad)

In my graph i was running really bad for the first half, getting the worst board layouts by turn and river.. lately things has not been as extreme. I did have the option to throw in the towel during that period, because obviously i didnt see any results. All I knew was that this is not normal and I am a bigger winner than this, and now things look a bit brighter.
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03-22-2012 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tompakee
Amazes me how you can come to this thread every day and tell these fairy stories.
D
The best thing about Hoooligan is




that he's not blatantlyrigged.
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03-22-2012 , 08:44 AM
i am blatantly rigged to win.. cant you see how stars boosted my win rate??

i go all in all day with A 2 just to catch one of the remaining 4 aces (5 aces in deck) vs all premium PP's
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