lol way to avoid the point there man.

the equation would be defined by those that are undertaking the audit. what part of that is so hard to understand

People have done exactly that with extensive hand history audits and riggies simply say they do not agree with the work and need to see other studies without explaining what the studies should be, or how they could be done (assuming no hand histories are allowed to be used).

How exactly do you expect them to do these studies you are asking for without using hand histories by the way?


What is to stop riggies from saying those that did the audit were in on it or that Pokerstars and every company changed the data for the study?


See the problem - nothing will satisfy you, which is why the companies will not spend any time or effort to cater to the fringe crowd that represents no real value. You cannot even provide a definition of a "bad beat" to be studied even though you believe it is the critical area to research.

You made the correct choice in quitting online poker. You cannot compete at it.

All the best.

This is what I said in terms of my personal preference to focus an online poker review. you seemed to understand this at the time but you digress.
OBVIOUSLY the equations would be defined in order to compare bad play to bad beats.. Certain EV situations would be apt I am sure, although a more refined equation could be made,, I am assuming.

You have yet to define what a specific bad beat is, and now you are saying they need to test for "bad play" as well?

You seriously think that everyone will agree on what "bad play" is? A lot of bad players think they are actually good, so how will you get them to accept they are really bad?

Who decides what "bad play" is for all game types and situations so that it can be tested in whatever way you think it needs to be tested (which you have yet to explain)?

Here was a hand I played earlier today. Tell me all the "bad play" in it so we can know how it should be tested.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...163_6F93DBAFA7


Here is an Omaha hand as well, repeat the above and explain the "bad play" that needs to be studied.

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-h...749_4A663201D2

All the best.

OBVIOUSLY you will now define them, without further delay and evasion.

Would you define a "+EV player" as a player who has played a significant sample and is an XBB/100 winner, and a "-EV player" as one who is an -XBB/100 winner?

You seem to imply that you believe yourself to be a +EV player who is a net loser due to the rig.

As Monty has just posted, how are you going to find out who the +EV players are?

look at the shills and site workers gang up. Hilarious to watch you low lifes

I can see how it could be a good activity for one like you with no job, no income, no future, no nothing. What else will you do with your time? Remember, I am happy to encourage you and any other riggie to believe that I am one of many in the secret shill army, and we plot together on how we pass disinformation. Refreshments are served at shill meetings.

I assume like the other riggie you quit all forms of online poker due to the inability to compete, but how about this - he suggests that he and other riggies would return if only a study of some sort was done on bad beats and bad play and it showed the games were legit.

Would you trust online poker if that study was done and it showed nothing was wrong in the bad beat and bad play area? Yes or no.

Also, what are your thoughts about 9/11? I assume you believe the governments version of the event unless you say otherwise.

Who am I kidding - a person like you is far too afraid to answer direct questions like that. Best you ignore them and make another shill comment - that is much safer for you, so I encourage that as your behavior, which proves I am part of the conspiracy that I actively encourage you to believe.

All the best.

I for one am definitely not sticking up for any poker site. I have a nice number locked up on Tilt that I hope to get back someday, and an equally nice number on Absolute that I'll never get back.

I think what I get a kick out of is listening to you guys try to invent some conspiracy to explain why you can't beat online poker. It all comes down to the same thing...."I play solid poker, so I should win. I'm not winning so it must be rigged".

Online poker is much, much harder than live poker...I know because I play a lot of both. I'd like just one of you to admit that maybe you're not that great at online poker, and your game needs some work.

What happens, however, when we try to get you to come up with some actual facts to support your riggie beliefs, is conspiracy theories that get more and more convoluted. I enjoy how Monteroy tries to get you to answer simple questions to help support your theories, which you avoid.

I come to this thread for entertainment, and you riggies rarely fail to provide it.

Just curious - is everyone who has an opinion different than yours automatically a shill or site worker, and thus a low life?

Riggies have been allowed to get away with this "shill" business for so long now while rarely being called on it, I think you don't even realize any more how ridiculous it sounds. Somehow it makes sense to you that pretty much everyone with a different opinion than yours must be posting out of some sort of self interest, but there's no way anyone that agrees with you is. I'd suggest you try to step back and try to look at this thread with some perspective, but I'm far from convinced that you're capable of such a thing.

not at all, that's what makes the world great. Everyone has a different opinion and perspective. I respect that. My whole contention/beef is the legitimate shills and employees that post here, and a majority of them are, not all but vast majority who try and manipulate and curtail the " debate" and the casual wonderer in to this thread doesn't realise these people have posted thousands of times doing there job!

Anyone can check how many posts particular members have made in this thread - takes about 5 seconds.

Do you think actual shills would make 1000s of posts with the same account? Or mix it up a bit?

How do you figure out who is a real shill and who is unjustly being called a shill? And do you think you should err on the side of unjustly calling lots of people shills, in the hopes of correctly labelling ones who are shills, or err on the side of not calling lots of people shills, and so avoid unjustly accusing people of being something they are not?

Well, the thing is, beyond Josem and I, you don't know that anyone else in this thread works for a poker site or forum, do you?

Of course, if you want to include anyone that has a financial interest in online poker's success, that's probably going to include the majority of 2+2 regulars. But that's a far cry from being a shill.

As for manipulating and curtailing the debate, I guess I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Most riggies who post here have close to no interest in taking part in legitimate discussion or proper analysis of their hands.

You think the majority of people in this thread who disagree with you are shills or work for the poker sites? Where did you come up with that? Do you think that most people who don't share your opinion that online poker sites are somehow conspiring to rob you of your pennies are somehow "in on it?

I'm pretty sure Josem is the only employee of an online poker site who posts here, and he has been nothing but patient in trying to answer your questions.

Despite the fact that I don't agree with you, I don't think that you work for the tribes or California cardrooms or Friends of the Family or whatever other organization that doesn't like online poker.

You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.

How is joining the other side of the debate and asking you to do some simple research to back up your claims manipulating or curtailing the debate?

Hey BR, thought you were banned? needed to make another account so you can continue with your ******ed "logic" and the usual riggie nonsense?

Please tell us who the "legitimate shills and employees" are and speculate how much they get paid and by whom. Full list please, thanks.

Can we just ban this idiot now? It's obvious he never learned his lesson from the first time he was banned.

I'm not sure how that's obvious, since you have no idea if he was banned before.

I'd be shocked if it wasn't blatantlyrigged.

I'm not 100% certain of it though.

Apparently you shock easily.

I've actually been pretty surprised how many people think that, given that the two post quite differently, and with the inside information I have, I can tell you that he's going to a lot of trouble to hide himself if it is him.

I thought the posting style and content was him, but maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.

I'm pretty sure he's posted here under a different name though.

Definitely BR with a new ip


Hmmmmmm ok

On this scamcity account

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/354186/

you have 49 posts of which 99% are in THIS thread.

On your blatantlyrigged account

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/270809/

you had 2604 posts of which +95% were in THIS thread



and on your THE TRUTH account

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/260396/

You had 157 posts 99% of which were in THIS thread

Do you guys realize that we have had countless posters in this thread that made 95% of their posts in this thread, all of whom continually rant about poker being rigged, shills keeping them down, etc., etc.? BR posted the same way all the time, and showed no ability or inclination to post differently, while ScamCity is actually posting with much different language, albeit the same message. So, there are two possibilities:

BR has gone to the trouble to post from an IP in a different country, using a registration email from a different country. At the same time, he has changed his technique somewhat, which pretty much eliminates the need for the new IP, as he probably wouldn't get banned right away. And if he did, he could just try again with a new account.

OR

It's just another riggie, like the hundreds we've seen before.

I mean, even tompakee can't be bothered to use a different IP, in spite of the fact that he misbehaved badly enough that he is what we call "Ban On Sight", which I'll demonstrate now by banning him once again.