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04-17-2011 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by joejeweler
But a few months ago i kept track of my results in a hand whenever i picked up poc AA over a full 31 days.

I got poc AA 33 times
Sick "I play 6,000 hands a month" brag.
Quote:
Losing 29 of 33 hands
where i have poc AA is not even close,......it's a JOKE!
You know that AA is only 80% to win preflop, right? Like...once other cards come out, one pair isn't necessarily the nuts.

Anyway, very scientific post and also very easy to read, you're an asset to this forum and this thread.
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04-17-2011 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by onlinepokerisascam
Yawnnn.. bingotwat is such a shill bore.
So very true. Extremely annoying. I tire of his weak responses.
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04-17-2011 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by joejeweler
Bingo_Boy,......forgot to mention i didn't post these thoughts just because
the US players are off now. I've been feeing this way for over a year now,
and hope'd if it were variance it would work itself out over a much longer
period of time. It hasn't.....

I did that "test" 3 months ago, and ONLY because i was noticing my poc AA
were usually losing. Though maybe it was a selective memory type of thing.
But that's why i decided to keep a record, which only served to back up what
i was seeing.

It is what it is,..........and i suspect you may be one of the site's shills so
won't waste anymore time with you.
Take your own advice. Dont waste your time with the shills. Also, they love to use the variance card which is more b.s. and getting very annoying.
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04-17-2011 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Take your own advice. Dont waste your time with the shills. Also, they love to use the variance card which is more b.s. and getting very annoying.
I bet the proof card gets annoying too.
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04-17-2011 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
I bet the proof card gets annoying too.
That online poker is rigged? Yes, very much so.
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04-17-2011 , 04:16 PM
The best thing about this thread is its a great filter for your ignore list. You can spot the idiots easily here and add them to ignore before you get tricked into taking what would inevitably be horrible misleading advice in other threads on other topics not knowing they were stupid or in most cases flat out liars.
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04-17-2011 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB.
I'm a proud, educated riggy
This indictment suggest that these accused conjured and concocted elaborate schemes to fool U.S.banks and disguise the truth.
Oh, but don't worry these same accused wouldn't ever do things like this to cheat players and increase profits right ?
WAKE UP NON-RIGGIES, THIS IS THE REAL WORLD CALLING !!
The F.B.I. charges will include the defrauding of players using bots, superusers , etc....All 3 programs have all been convicted of bot implantation already , and now the F.B.I will explain how programmers laced the program to increase profits. And idiots will be forced to finally face the cold truth.
I AM A PROUD RIGGY TODAY, AS THE FBI WILL VALIDATE EVERY WORD that I've preached for 6 years
This!
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04-17-2011 , 05:14 PM
Are small poker sites rigged? I don't know.

Are the big sites like Stars and FTP rigged? Definitely not. They win a LOT OF MONEY. Do you think someone would be so idiot to risk losing A HUGE BUSINESS rigging the games? Do you really think that? Maybe the small sites that don't have much to lose MAY CONSIDER rigging the games, I don't know. What I know is that Stars and FTP would have a lot to lose if they are caught and therefore I'm 100% sure they would NEVER CONSIDER rigging the games.
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04-17-2011 , 05:27 PM
Thanks for that,....i do make an effort to be clear in forum posts.

I am also aware that poc AA is a no guarenteed win hand,......but winning
just 4 out of 33 of these hands is just a bit over 12% win rate. A far
cry from 80% preflop..........and just not statistically possible for a truly
random deck. (especially over a longer hand sample).

My poc A's before and after this one month sampling has fared with no
greater success, btw,.........i just got too disgusted to continue recording.

Quote:
Originally Posted by otatop
Sick "I play 6,000 hands a month" brag.You know that AA is only 80% to win preflop, right? Like...once other cards come out, one pair isn't necessarily the nuts.

Anyway, very scientific post and also very easy to read, you're an asset to this forum and this thread.
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04-17-2011 , 05:36 PM
You give the same tired response to this question. (PS and FT having more to lose than they might gain if they rigged the outflow of cards)

But i think with the recent indictments and charges it has been shown that these big sites ARE willing to "bend" the rules if it means more dough for them.

Should i be so naive to believe it a stretch to "sweeten" their take by keeping
the donks happy with regular suckouts on weak calls, and games moving along faster?

I do know, and it's been written about (in a poker mag i believe), that a tight
player is likely to recieve more than his/her fair share of bad beats. This is because they are patient and wait for a good starting hand, so when they are
beat it is almost always where they were ahead and get sucked out on.

......and when the big sites bias the suck out hands,......it hits worse for the
patient player. Sometimes in a cash game or a tourney a half hour can go by
and not play a hand,....especially at higher stakes tables. Pretty disheartening when you finally get a great starting hand only to consistantly get beat with a rag caller encouraged by their past suckouts to continue to do the same.

The weaker players (ie donk callers with rags) get fewer
"bad beats" because they are usually behind from the start playing hands they should have folded.

Quote:
Originally Posted by xxl_w1
Are small poker sites rigged? I don't know.

Are the big sites like Stars and FTP rigged? Definitely not. They win a LOT OF MONEY. Do you think someone would be so idiot to risk losing A HUGE BUSINESS rigging the games? Do you really think that? Maybe the small sites that don't have much to lose MAY CONSIDER rigging the games, I don't know. What I know is that Stars and FTP would have a lot to lose if they are caught and therefore I'm 100% sure they would NEVER CONSIDER rigging the games.

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04-17-2011 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by joejeweler
Thanks for that,....i do make an effort to be clear in forum posts.

I am also aware that poc AA is a no guarenteed win hand,......but winning
just 4 out of 33 of these hands is just a bit over 12% win rate. A far
cry from 80% preflop..........and just not statistically possible for a truly
random deck. (especially over a longer hand sample).

My poc A's before and after this one month sampling has fared with no
greater success, btw,.........i just got too disgusted to continue recording.

Ill explain it to you. You suck at poker. Quit MR`ing MR 3betting and
OL your AA and you might actually win a hand. Also, lol at your imaginary stats. Here, I can counter your stats with my own stats. I had AA 22,000 times and won 21,999 times. That should even it up some.
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04-17-2011 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by onlinepokerisascam
Good your admitting it bingotwat you are a bore!
I see that your reading comprehension and spelling still hasn't improved.

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Originally Posted by onlinepokerisascam
for you BingoPoker maybe with your so called winning's you can go to a dollar store and purchase yourself a real life, its a start and the best investment you can make to leave your mothers and fathers dwelling and let them enjoy their retirement.
Trying to belittle my "so called winnings" when I haven't tried to claim any is more evidence of your lies and reading comprehension problems.

Are you able to buy what you would consider a "real life" from a dollar store? Or are you trying to be funny / clever and failing miserably as usual? Not that it is any of your business but I was able to buy my house because I am not an unemployable, uneducated moron

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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
So very true. Extremely annoying. I tire of his weak responses.
You and "onlinepokerisascam" are the same ******, right? How pathetic would it be if you were making stupid posts and then agreeing with yourself with another account?

Quote:
Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Take your own advice. Dont waste your time with the shills. Also, they love to use the variance card which is more b.s. and getting very annoying.
I don't use the variance card. I use the stop lying you delusional moron card.

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Originally Posted by joejeweler
Thanks for that,....i do make an effort to be clear in forum posts.

I am also aware that poc AA is a no guarenteed win hand,......but winning
just 4 out of 33 of these hands is just a bit over 12% win rate. A far
cry from 80% preflop..........and just not statistically possible for a truly
random deck. (especially over a longer hand sample).

My poc A's before and after this one month sampling has fared with no
greater success, btw,.........i just got too disgusted to continue recording.
Unforunately, I've run out of cards with this clown because he keeps repeating the same lies over and over and over...
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04-17-2011 , 06:17 PM
Congrats,......you must be a PS or FT insider.

And i was SHOVING or 8X-10X the BB on my poc AA hands during this 31 day trial. I later adjusted to maybe a 3X or 4X BB push to keep from busting out late in a tourney and still get paid.

I will admit that i have only been playing poker about 1 1/2 years, but have
learned a lot in that time playing 50-80 hours a week. My early stats were
terrible also,.....just playing way to many hands. That's why becomming patient
& waiting for a good hand and getting beat up regularly with rags is so discouraging. My casino poker play reflects that vast improvement in play,.....
the internet not to the same extent but much better. I consider the learning
curve my tuition, as i had one in blackjack also 35 years ago.

BTW,...i think i mentioned that high stakes blackjack was where i made some serious money, had some bad days too. On a thursday and friday last year i dropped $75K in Atlantic City, and left with the last $33K i had brought. I licked my wounds and went to Turning Stone Casino the following day, and had my best day there cashing out ahead $102K. Tough to do as Turning Stone only has a $2K/hand betting limit. After i got up $30K i bet 2 hands of $2K on each, and taking all splits and double downs. I was the official cutter
all that night, as 3 other players were also winning big with me.
(They did $45K-$65K each also!) When i got tired and cashed out at 7:00AM,
the others quit and followed me to the cage!

I played enough high stakes blackjack in Atlantic City (Bally's), that somehow
i got invited to a 36 player $100K winner take all tourney at Trump Taj. (No buyin!) I had never even played there before!!!

Not sure how they got my name, but i went and made the final table. We never actually played because we agreed to donate $40K to the family of a murdered casino employer for his son to go to collage.

We each took $10K, and i had already made about $24K in the 3 hours leading up to the tourney. The following week i went back down to the Taj and was having a horrible 1-on-1 BJ session, and mumbled to myself "why don't you just shoot me".

Didn't think the dealer heard me, but when she went on break the pit boss
(a woman) came out and said i would have to leave because the dealer felt
threatened. I was down $54K at that point, and asked what i had said or done? The pit boss said "i had said something about shooting the dealer, and
that we take that VERY seriously since one of theirs had been shot and killed
a few months earlier."

I explained that i KNEW that, and in fact was one of the players that donated $40K of the prize pool to their family! I also said i was mumbling that the
dealer should just shoot ME, because she was killing me slowly anyway!

She seemed to be relieved, but the TWO security guards with her "requested" to look thru my shoulder bag and belt pouch. No problem,...cash and checkbook, toothbrush and other misc items were there.

Anyway, i was allowed to play on, and 3 hours later i recovered my $54K
loss but also cashed out for a $88K PROFIT for the trip. Had they kicked
me when they originally wanted to it'd be a very long ride home. (275 miles)

So i made 2 trips to the Trump Taj after getting invited there in November 2009, and have never played there again. $122K will do that for you.

.....i wonder if that pit boss is still there????

Somdeay i will go back again,.......as they have invited me down several times since for other big money/not entry fee tourneys. But i would have to play on
the regular cash tables to warrant any further considerations, and i just want
to saver my 2 plays/2 big wins awhile longer from there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Ill explain it to you. You suck at poker. Quit MR`ing MR 3betting and
OL your AA and you might actually win a hand. Also, lol at your imaginary stats. Here, I can counter your stats with my own stats. I had AA 22,000 times and won 21,999 times. That should even it up some.

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04-17-2011 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by joejeweler
My poc A's before and after this one month sampling has fared with no
greater success, btw,.........i just got too disgusted to continue recording.
That's weird, because 2 of your biggest pots you won with...AA. Surprise!

And, here's the bigger surprise, your biggest winning hand: You flatted AA pre on the button (not terrible I guess), then flatted flop when your opponent hit a set, binked your two outer on the turn and minraised, then obv villain shoved.

Your second biggest win with AA had you again flatting on the button, only this time you flatted a cold 3bet by a guy with KK who got 4bet then 5bet shoved, and then you called again, instead of raising.

Just for the lulz, another of your biggest winners was flatting Q2s in the CO after MP raised, flopping a FD and hitting it on the turn.

Your biggest losing hand (at least that PTR grabbed) was you limping K5o at 600NL in the CO, flopping TPNK vs BB's top two, minraising the flop, then calling a 3bet. The turn boated up villain and you called his 1/2 pot bet, the river didn't improve your hand (I guess aside from making your on board kicker higher) and you called his shove. Your next 3 biggest losers were garbage hands like A6o and Q8s, and I don't really care how they were played since I imagine it was just a ton of limping and shoveling money in behind.

But no, Stars is definitely rigged and you lose because of that and not because you limp or call with garbage and passively play your strong hands.
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04-17-2011 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
That's weird, because 2 of your biggest pots you won with...AA. Surprise!

And, here's the bigger surprise, your biggest winning hand: You flatted AA pre on the button (not terrible I guess), then flatted flop when your opponent hit a set, binked your two outer on the turn and minraised, then obv villain shoved.

Your second biggest win with AA had you again flatting on the button, only this time you flatted a cold 3bet by a guy with KK who got 4bet then 5bet shoved, and then you called again, instead of raising.

Just for the lulz, another of your biggest winners was flatting Q2s in the CO after MP raised, flopping a FD and hitting it on the turn.

Your biggest losing hand (at least that PTR grabbed) was you limping K5o at 600NL in the CO, flopping TPNK vs BB's top two, minraising the flop, then calling a 3bet. The turn boated up villain and you called his 1/2 pot bet, the river didn't improve your hand (I guess aside from making your on board kicker higher) and you called his shove. Your next 3 biggest losers were garbage hands like A6o and Q8s, and I don't really care how they were played since I imagine it was just a ton of limping and shoveling money in behind.

But no, Stars is definitely rigged and you lose because of that and not because you limp or call with garbage and passively play your strong hands.
Gee, imagine that, howd I know he sucked at poker?

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04-17-2011 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
I see that your reading comprehension and spelling still hasn't improved.



Trying to belittle my "so called winnings" when I haven't tried to claim any is more evidence of your lies and reading comprehension problems.

Are you able to buy what you would consider a "real life" from a dollar store? Or are you trying to be funny / clever and failing miserably as usual? Not that it is any of your business but I was able to buy my house because I am not an unemployable, uneducated moron



You and "onlinepokerisascam" are the same ******, right? How pathetic would it be if you were making stupid posts and then agreeing with yourself with another account?



I don't use the variance card. I use the stop lying you delusional moron card.



Unforunately, I've run out of cards with this clown because he keeps repeating the same lies over and over and over...
Yawnnnnn! bingoboy= wiki jr everyone
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04-17-2011 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
The best thing about this thread is its a great filter for your ignore list. You can spot the idiots easily here and add them to ignore before you get tricked into taking what would inevitably be horrible misleading advice in other threads on other topics not knowing they were stupid or in most cases flat out liars.
Thank You for the only great post you have made out of the trolling 4k that makes any sense You are now on ignore!
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04-17-2011 , 06:47 PM
For what it's worth, i haven't played at PS in several months,.....partly because
of the "odd" results there and also because of their lack of clearing my echeck deposits over a 3 month period. I went from a $2500 plus balance to a negative $15K balance which pissed me off because i couldn't play as i had
a $6K/month deposit limit. Then my bank decided to close my checking account with 10 days notice and NO explaination, but i think all the processors
were suspect at that time and it's probably the reason.

My poc AA "test" was on Full Tilt, where i go under Floppjoe56
But even here, while i was vastly improving in my play, the bad beats when holding strong cards continued regularly.

Before the US player shutdown,.....i was becoming a LOT better
player, and made a fair amount of final tables and even won a few $4 RUSH
tourneys. ($275-$325 wins) I know i was improving because my bankroll stabilized and felt a bit better with my overall game. It just never got the results my B&M Casino game developed into.

So poke fun if you will,.....as i have admitted i'm only into poker for 1 1/2 years.
The linked hand was from back in June of 2010,....probably only playing poker
for 6-8 months or so to that point!

But sometime i may be up against you in a live game or if the US players get back on. Not a bad position to be in to be underestimated!!!

BTW,.....while it is kinda neat to be able to go over player hand histories,
i have decided NOT to do so and in fact will not search out the means to do so. I personally consider it to be a form of cheating. Play against me and i'll
take notes, but that's it.

Also,....on the hand you cited and linked,......i think the poc JJ don't go away with any decent raise. I won't push $500 or more preflop in a cash game precisely
because of all the suck out rag calls. Wasn't it Daniel Negrano that said he
prefers to play (or push) a 5 card poker hand,.....or something to that effect?



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Originally Posted by otatop
That's weird, because 2 of your biggest pots you won with...AA. Surprise!

And, here's the bigger surprise, your biggest winning hand: You flatted AA pre on the button (not terrible I guess), then flatted flop when your opponent hit a set, binked your two outer on the turn and minraised, then obv villain shoved.

Your second biggest win with AA had you again flatting on the button, only this time you flatted a cold 3bet by a guy with KK who got 4bet then 5bet shoved, and then you called again, instead of raising.

Just for the lulz, another of your biggest winners was flatting Q2s in the CO after MP raised, flopping a FD and hitting it on the turn.

Your biggest losing hand (at least that PTR grabbed) was you limping K5o at 600NL in the CO, flopping TPNK vs BB's top two, minraising the flop, then calling a 3bet. The turn boated up villain and you called his 1/2 pot bet, the river didn't improve your hand (I guess aside from making your on board kicker higher) and you called his shove. Your next 3 biggest losers were garbage hands like A6o and Q8s, and I don't really care how they were played since I imagine it was just a ton of limping and shoveling money in behind.

But no, Stars is definitely rigged and you lose because of that and not because you limp or call with garbage and passively play your strong hands.

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04-17-2011 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
Are small poker sites rigged? I don't know.

Are the big sites like Stars and FTP rigged? Definitely not. They win a LOT OF MONEY. Do you think someone would be so idiot to risk losing A HUGE BUSINESS rigging the games? Do you really think that? Maybe the small sites that don't have much to lose MAY CONSIDER rigging the games, I don't know. What I know is that Stars and FTP would have a lot to lose if they are caught and therefore I'm 100% sure they would NEVER CONSIDER rigging the games.
Caught by who? Lose their business to who? No oversight, no law enforcement can touch them. What happened to Russ Hamilton? He plays golf every day.
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04-17-2011 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
The best thing about this thread is its a great filter for your ignore list. You can spot the idiots easily here and add them to ignore before you get tricked into taking what would inevitably be horrible misleading advice in other threads on other topics not knowing they were stupid or in most cases flat out liars.
TY 5thstreethog: IGNORE
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04-17-2011 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
Are small poker sites rigged? I don't know.

Are the big sites like Stars and FTP rigged? Definitely not. They win a LOT OF MONEY. Do you think someone would be so idiot to risk losing A HUGE BUSINESS rigging the games? Do you really think that? Maybe the small sites that don't have much to lose MAY CONSIDER rigging the games, I don't know. What I know is that Stars and FTP would have a lot to lose if they are caught and therefore I'm 100% sure they would NEVER CONSIDER rigging the games.
LOL This has a be a joke thread!!
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04-17-2011 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by joejeweler
Also,....on the hand you cited and linked,......i think the poc JJ don't go away with any decent raise.
...which is why you raise.
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I won't push $500 or more preflop in a cash game precisely
because of all the suck out rag calls.
But you'll giddily put in $300 with TPNK on the river?

Makes sense.
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04-17-2011 , 08:03 PM
This is karma for all these crooks who run these sites and robed me with a rigged deal. This just proves again what we said all along the owners of these sites are scum bags and fraudsters
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04-17-2011 , 08:09 PM
Joe, you are new, so you might not be a complete idiot like most of these guys. Here is some serious advice. You spoke about wanting to improve your game. That is something on which you can build. I can improve your game drastically right now if you heed my advice. Take responsibility for your results. Study them and study the game. Quit blaming goblins and ghouls and understand it is you. This is how you improve your game. Im not saying that like Im a great player, Im far from it. Ive never played one session of poker where I cant look back and see a possible mistake I made. That is what makes this game so great. It is always evolving and there is always spots you can improve. If you do this I can assure you the game will become "less rigged".


If you cant accept this reality then why play? Just quit. Only an idiot like banonlinepoker and others in this thread continue to play a game in which they believe they are being cheated. Its like you go to the corner store to get smokes and every time you go there the clerk anally violates you. Instead of not going the the store you continue to go everyday for three years and just complain about it on an online forum. Wouldnt you call that person an idiot?
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04-17-2011 , 08:46 PM
Thanks for cutting me a bit of slack,......

And i intend to work on my overall poker game as well. Lots of improvement so far,.....much more to work on i'm sure.

BUT,.....there should be similiar results in a Casino B&M game when compared
to online games IF the cards are completely random with no "tweeking",.....
Right? Not saying the skill level of your opponants doesn't enter into it, it
most certainly does. Choosing to play looser or tighter, and level of aggression
is all important in determining whether you end up ahead or behind overall....

,,,,but,..... by looking strictly at the average times poc AA should win in both
scenarious (online verses B&M casinos), it's not even close. It's hard to go
all out with this hand when you get burned online by suck out raggers.

When they (poc AA) hold more to statistical norm at a casino and not online, it's become quite obvious to me and many others the online games are not
truly random.

While i had no intent of totally leaving online poker before the US players were sent packing,......i had adjusted my play to mostly low cost tourneys
and low cash game requirements to minimize risk and try to work it out.

........but in retrospect i believe i was working my way to using online play
to gain a lot of experience more quickly. My "cost" of education if you will.

Until the big sites allow a total programming audit under secure conditions
to prove they are not tweeking the game results,....it's all moot anyway.
I doubt that will ever be done voluntarily,......but someday they may not
have a choice.

.....if that day ever happens,.......come back on and eat a little crow. I'll
do the same if i'm wrong.



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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Joe, you are new, so you might not be a complete idiot like most of these guys. Here is some serious advice. You spoke about wanting to improve your game. That is something on which you can build. I can improve your game drastically right now if you heed my advice. Take responsibility for your results. Study them and study the game. Quit blaming goblins and ghouls and understand it is you. This is how you improve your game. Im not saying that like Im a great player, Im far from it. Ive never played one session of poker where I cant look back and see a possible mistake I made. That is what makes this game so great. It is always evolving and there is always spots you can improve. If you do this I can assure you the game will become "less rigged".


If you cant accept this reality then why play? Just quit. Only an idiot like banonlinepoker and others in this thread continue to play a game in which they believe they are being cheated. Its like you go to the corner store to get smokes and every time you go there the clerk anally violates you. Instead of not going the the store you continue to go everyday for three years and just complain about it on an online forum. Wouldnt you call that person an idiot?
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