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04-09-2010 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PikachuDemolisher
No no no, they have to hit the green. Its once it hits the green that the magets take place. These are very preceise magnet grids. Think pixels but in magent plates.



The ball had NO backspin as it rolled up to the fringe. It was ROLLING UP. Then it suddenly changes and rolls back? Pay attention you godam shilltard.
Have you forgotten to take your medication today?

"Dammit Beavis, You're gonna' make us look stupid"

-Butt Head
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04-09-2010 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki

RealDeal!

A site designed by idiots

Financed by fools

Run by morons

Promoted by simpletons

For the use of halfwits

I kind of hope they rigg it because that would be funny in a dark comedy kind of way.
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04-09-2010 , 06:32 PM
Rigged golf.. he maybe onto something

Last edited by LVGambler; 04-09-2010 at 06:33 PM. Reason: lololololol
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04-09-2010 , 06:41 PM
Pikachoo, I will sponsor an effort for you to expose this on National TV, which will not only make you famous but a Hero.

I will get you a ticket to the Masters and arrange for your travel there.

I will have an unidentified asset leave a shovel for you at the 11th green...
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04-09-2010 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Pikachoo, I will sponsor an effort for you to expose this on National TV, which will not only make you famous but a Hero.

I will get you a ticket to the Masters and arrange for your travel there.

I will have an unidentified asset leave a shovel for you at the 11th green...
OK send $50,000 via paypal and I will leave tonight for GA. can be there by tee off tomorrow. PM me for paypal email.
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04-09-2010 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PikachuDemolisher
OK send $50,000 via paypal and I will leave tonight for GA. can be there by tee off tomorrow. PM me for paypal email.
If your going to be a Merc. for hire. I'll pay pal you 50k to fly to Nashville and dig up the fake body in Elvis Presley's plot at Graceland. We'll send the DNA to my contacts and make millions...
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04-09-2010 , 07:03 PM
LOL @ Pikachu making the same argument for golf being rigged, as the rigtards make for poker being rigged, and the rigtards are calling him crazy. Oh, the irony.
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04-09-2010 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
LOL @ Pikachu making the same argument for golf being rigged, as the rigtards make for poker being rigged, and the rigtards are calling him crazy. Oh, the irony.
And you're following up by saying that rigging Golf the Pikachoo way, is just as plausible as rigging online poker? LoL @ you too...
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04-09-2010 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Since the seating order is known, and the deck order is known, it would be a trivial task for the computer to pick a deck that gives known cards to a targeted player. With a large enough library, they just find a deck that has the desired cards behind that cut position and then deal them. At a 9-player table if I want seat 1 to get AA, I find a deck that has an Ace at the first and 10th spot behind the cut position. Or 2nd and 11th with a burn card. For example. If they shuffle and store a million decks in advance then there are many possibilities to choose from. An insider could pick decks that deal good cards to him. He could cut to known positions that give him a favorable hand and board. Every deck is set up. I'd rather have a realtime RNG like a real site.
You sound just like a Rigtard, interesting....
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04-09-2010 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by toltec444
You sound just like a Rigtard, interesting....
Um...miss the point much?
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04-09-2010 , 07:47 PM
When the cannon balls blow the mosquitoes fly away, wait until the next months.

The RNG can never send balls without being detected? I truly doubt that. Its not irony that cars are teard down these days!
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04-09-2010 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Um...miss the point much?
I expected spade to say, this realdeal stuff is like any other RNG, it cant be manipulated without being detected.
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04-09-2010 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by toltec444
I expected spade to say, this realdeal stuff is like any other RNG, it cant be manipulated without being detected.
If they're actually banking dealt hands, why would you expect spade to say that?
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04-09-2010 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by toltec444
I expected spade to say, this realdeal stuff is like any other RNG, it cant be manipulated without being detected.
I want you to think on this for a while if you need to...

What he said doesn't contradict that.
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04-09-2010 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I want you to think on this for a while if you need to...

What he said doesn't contradict that.
Well, under the system Spade set out it would be pretty darn hard to detect, no?
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04-09-2010 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
If they're actually banking dealt hands, why would you expect spade to say that?
Because basically there is no difference between the realdeal and the RNG, so if it can be done in the realdeal it can be obviously done with the RNG . They can just store the results of RNG and choose after that wich cards they will deal and when.

Interesting is that few posts ago I was talking exactly about that, which I called time manipulation. The deal is random, but the time when the cards are distributed is manipulated.
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04-09-2010 , 08:05 PM
they can't possibly be storing every possible combination of 52 cards. that's idiotic.
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04-09-2010 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by toltec444
They can just store the results of RNG and choose after that wich cards they will deal and when.
no they can't. this is nonsense.
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04-09-2010 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
no they can't. this is nonsense.
Right, in the case of RNG there is no sense in storing the deal. All that is needed is to have a software that chooses wich card will be dealt yet not going out of the limits of randomness. Just like spade suggests it can be done in the realdeal stuff.
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04-09-2010 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
no they can't. this is nonsense.
Well, it might be technically possible, they just aren't doing it. They'd have to be dealing out full hands in advance then picking when to use them. The key to not being detected I presume is that they would have to use every singl. If they discard the deals they don't like it will be as detectable as any other ploy. But if they are banking every deal, then just distributing them as they wish, it would be again much harder to detect.

I'm not the stats guy here, so I'll defer to them if this is all bunk.

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Originally Posted by toltec444
Right, in the case of RNG there is no sense in storing the deal. All that is needed is to have a software that chooses wich card will be dealt yet not going out of the limits of randomness. Just like spade suggests it can be done in the realdeal stuff.
Again, I'll defer to the stats guys, but I'd think they'd have to mimic RD's proposed practice of banking hands for this really to work.
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04-09-2010 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Dude, that's the craziest **** I've ever heard. You can't be serious? I mean, you actually believe that? The underworld of golf? Magnets underneath the green? Do you see how statements like this not only kill your "street credit"(lol) but "riggies" as well.
Tk!!!

Good to see you back.

We've missed you.
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04-09-2010 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Idiot.
Ah!

You begin to see the power of the dark side.
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04-09-2010 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PikachuDemolisher
No no no, they have to hit the green. Its once it hits the green that the magets take place. These are very preceise magnet grids. Think pixels but in magent plates.



The ball had NO backspin as it rolled up to the fringe. It was ROLLING UP. Then it suddenly changes and rolls back? Pay attention you godam shilltard.
No one with even a gramme of intelligence will believe this is anything other than a level.
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04-09-2010 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by toltec444
When the cannon balls blow the mosquitoes fly away, wait until the next months.

The RNG can never send balls without being detected? I truly doubt that. Its not irony that cars are teard down these days!
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Originally Posted by toltec444
I expected spade to say, this realdeal stuff is like any other RNG, it cant be manipulated without being detected.
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Originally Posted by toltec444
Because basically there is no difference between the realdeal and the RNG, so if it can be done in the realdeal it can be obviously done with the RNG . They can just store the results of RNG and choose after that wich cards they will deal and when.

Interesting is that few posts ago I was talking exactly about that, which I called time manipulation. The deal is random, but the time when the cards are distributed is manipulated.
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Originally Posted by toltec444
Right, in the case of RNG there is no sense in storing the deal. All that is needed is to have a software that chooses wich card will be dealt yet not going out of the limits of randomness. Just like spade suggests it can be done in the realdeal stuff.

You're an Eejit.

A Stoopid,stoopid eejit.
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04-09-2010 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Well, under the system Spade set out it would be pretty darn hard to detect, no?
It would not be any harder or easier to detect than any other manipulation of the deal, whether the deck is generated by realdeal methods or regular RNG methods. Choosing a preshuffled deck non-randomly from a set of decks, affects the distribution of cards received by every player. My point was that the realdeal method doesn't make it harder for the site to manipulate things than the methods used by other sites. And like other sites, the output is the only thing that matters. Assuming they run it honestly, that output isn't going to be any different than other sites, and after a short time the rigged theories will be as common there as anywhere else. Those theories are never rooted in how a site could do it (that just follows as an attempt to justify the theory). They stem from false perceptions as to what people think random output should look like.

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