I think posters in RGT feel the same way

Alderney in reality:







Alderney in BOP's head:

The regulatory authority under whom they operate.

Why do you keep posting these lies?

I suppose it's because you realise that there's nothing you could possibly post here that would make you look any more cretinously stupid or lacking in even basic honesty than you do at the moment.

More animal stupidity from BOP.

More blatant lies.

Can't have a discussion about it?

The thread is over 20,000 posts long.

So first you are saying it's impossible to take action against them.

Now you're saying giving us an example of someone who did?

Even for you that's sub-moron level.


BOP: "Argues with himself and loses. Too stupid to realise this".

You call this discussion? Because most of the thread is this.

Just how much of a discussion do you think is possible with someone who's so animal stupid that they post the same lies over and over and over again?

Really, all this thread is is people posting the same lame observations repeatedly and others making the same responses.

After 27,000+ posts still no one has offered a single piece of credible evidence that OLP is rigged.

If they ever did I can guarantee you would see the discussion taking a completely different turn.

I'm in favor of the bill passing and look forward to playing again on FTP after it does (after some lengthy downtime, unfortunately.... but it's still better for online poker in the longrun). Not everything is black and white BOP, the voices in your head my tell you otherwise, but it is not so.

Oh, and by the way BOP, you have no friggin idea if the bill is going to pass or not. None. You can state it like it's fact the way you have for a long time now, but you're completely clueless. Unfortunately if it doesn't pass now, nothing may pass for a long time.

Just please don't trash your computer again if it fails. Those things can be expensive.

Well thats exactly the point I was making. Lets assume I agree with everything you have just said, even though we all know it is complete nonsense.

If the world of online poker is like the Wild West and everybody is completely untouchable why don't doesn't somebody start a new site in a blaze of publicity that states all the other sites are rigged but the new site is 100% legit and has to charge x% more rake to compete with the other thieving sites?

You would sign up wouldn't you? Wouldn't everybody sign up because 'everybody knows' the other sites are rigged? How much would 'x' need to be to put you off?

Real Deal Poker did that and they directly appealed to riggies. Unfortunately for them 99.9% of the market does not care about riggie beliefs. They did not even charge extra rake.

How did it do for them in the end?


A lot of the non shill regs in this thread are not even riggies, they are just emotionally crippled angry dudes venting when they lose 5 bucks. Some are xeonophobes and all you can expect from the zealots like that is extremist babble that has nothing to do with reality or a discussion.

Find the true genuinely paranoid riggies amid the gimmicks, bad beat whiners and hate mongers and you can carve up a little fun.

Oh, please do.

Some riggies and 'tards can be amusing but someone who just repeatedly posts lies is no good for entertainment value.

And exactly who is that?

Are you too stupid to use Google?

You certainly seem to be too stupid to realise that if you edit out the reference details when quoting a post no one will know what you are wittering on about. (as opposed to the more usual not caring. )

Are you equipped with one of those walkmans that has a loop playing "breath in ... breath out ..."?

This is the thread that never ends....

Yes, but it should end now. Let's have a poll on that.

Welcome back my friends ...

OK:

[ x ] 'tards and riggies should get with the programme and stop whining.
[ ] Thread should continue.

Go ahead and tell him Wiki.

Nice to see this thread is still alive and well (in a matter of speaking).

Brief synopsis of my hiatus:

I learned a new format of poker with the guidance of a person who posts regularly in this thread and I used a $100 deposit to turn out over $500 in profit playing very casual volume. These months have been very eye opening, as I got a first hand glimpse of how a highly documented (think sharkscope leaderboard) winning online poker player views the game and his approach to it.

If a serious winning player at the top of his game is not employing some oddball strategy to "beat the algorithm", then I can't imagine such a strategy could even exist. If it did, it would be exploited. Instead he uses the strategies that make the most sense for random events. Get yourself into highly equitable positions as often as possible and the numbers will work themselves out.

When reality really hit me was during the reading of "Fooled by Randomness" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb (which I highly recommend). The human mind just isn't designed to understand random events. We are geared for "cause and effect" to help understand the world and the consequences of our actions. This style of thinking just can't understand randomness. If an 80% probability fails 4 times in a row, we think there must be some "cause" of it rather than it being a completely random event. So what caused it? A deposit? A withdrawal? A seat change? A money transfer? A huge tournament win? The human mind will search for that cause because that is what it is designed to do. To seek the pattern for something that has no pattern only leads to lost time and sanity.

Anyone miss me?

Cant happen because then the zoo would be overrun with rigged threads.

Not that id mind. Individual rigged threads were way more entertaining. Now we got tldr posts, stats and rigged folk learning how to play... who wants that.

Excellent post; glad to hear things are going well for you.

Got to be honest, there's just too many posts and characters ITT to keep track of who's here and who's left, but glad to have you back!

This.

There really are only three rigged threads:

1) My aces didn't win
2) I see odd patterns in my mind that computers can't find
3) On line poker isn't regulated

And three answers

1) That happens
2) Cool story, bro
3) Yes it is


With minor variations, that's about it.

Glad that you're doing well SCJ!

Maybe post a little more detail for the riggies. If I recall, you were a soft riggie at one time yourself. Maybe describe for them what you used to believe, why you used to believe it, and how your perception is different now (I know you have a bit: but do you notice the same things that you did before, what else do you notice now in addition to that? etc.)

There is more joy in heaven over one riggie who sees the light ...

First, a correction on my previous post. I said "highly equitable" when I clearly meant "high equity". Anyway...

I believe that most of my misbeliefs centered around one thing: Action Cards (Preflop/Flop/etc. to spur opponents into betting).

I have come up with every theory in the book on these things and tested out a multitude of them to see if any of them had any credence. Most of them I was able to throw out very quickly while others took a longer period of time.

When we have 44, the villain has QQ and the flop comes AQ4 we may tend to think that this was "on purpose" to generate action between ourselves and the villain and is a hand we tend to remember for quite awhile (especially if it had a large cash game pot or was a tournament knockout). But how many flops have we seen with 44, missed, and folded away without a second thought? Or how many times have we hit on an AQ4 board and stacked someone holding AK? How many times did they quickly fold their JJ to our aggression?

This leads us to my main misconception. We rarely remember our small pot victories or losses beyond a week or even a day. But the big pots are much more clearly available to our memory. The bigger pots tend to be situations where both players had a very strong hand/draw. So obviously in these situations the board fits both players very well so may seem as if it were designed to. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this bias is the survivorship bias. We remember the big pots; big pots tend to have big hands on coordinated flops; thus we remember big hands on coordinated flops more often than others.

The mind is a wonderful invention, but it's own failures are precisely what cause us to see things that simply don't exist. Just as optical illusions, such as this one http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/geom_Ki...lge/index.html , fool our mind into seeing things not as they truly are, our strong tendency to fit the random world into our "cause and effect" view of the world twists us into making connections between events that have nothing to do with each other.

Losing a tournament on the bubble sucks. But it MUST happen to someone. Likely that person had a good hand or they wouldn't be putting themselves at risk. So it stands to reason that they will likely bust out with either the best of it or a cooler. By playing good poker we create the very bias on the situation that we claim is working against us. Why would we risk a bad situation on the bubble? We wouldn't. So therefore, all of our painful bubbles will likely be suckouts or coolers by our own doing. Of course, doubling on the bubble is harder to recall later on despite it occuring fairly often.

Bottom line is this: Every false impression my mind perceived was disproven through my own database of hands. Does this mean I'm an idiot? Of course not. It means I am human. And anyone else that falls into the "online poker is rigged" category is likely in the same boat. Your mind is doing its job and telling you something is wrong. In the optical illusion you can pull out a ruler and verify the lines are in fact straight and not bulging. In online poker, you can use your database to find the gaps in your biased memory.

If you do not use a database, it will be like looking at the illusion without a ruler or straight edge. You will never be able to verify reality. Some people need no verification and accept that randomness is something that our minds cannot fully measure on their own. While others, like us, tend to question things when we see something that seems to be "not right".

I don't blame anyone for thinking online poker is rigged, because it shows that their mind is doing its job in seeking patterns. However, finding patterns where none exist and then purporting that they do exist is, in my opinion, the pathway to madness.

If we accept our own fallacies, we can view poker and the world in a clearer light.

Luck be with you