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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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5,607 55.84%
Undecided
932 9.28%

12-01-2010 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Others posted their little pictures while adding tongue in cheek comments about how various deities clearly favor them. They do not need to be told their stats are lacking context because they are in on the joke already (that they are showing fairly meaningless contextless bits of information).





I will not pretend to believe that you will ever actually do this, but the fact you are considering it as an option is a positive step. If you ever dig deeper into the math and the stats behind standard riggie claims, you may eventually find your self in on the jokes they always seem to miss. At that point you can apply for your shill royalty payments.
This is my goal in life

Don't hold your breath for the outcome though but I will be considering it. Thanks again for the forum tennis thing, much appreciated.
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12-02-2010 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by brutti
The only ripoff is the sick rake at uNL.
So true!


South Park: The Superheroes Movie (fansite2010)

Who is the C**n?

Last edited by Dlogic; 12-02-2010 at 02:55 AM. Reason: Where is Mysterion?
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12-02-2010 , 11:53 AM
Hey guys! I'm new here

Why would a multi-billion dollar industry, with no compliances to international laws, steal money from innocent human beings?

Has the poker industry ever published the money they lose on fraudulent deposits? How on earth could a poker site lose that much money, but still operate?

Online Poker for President!
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12-02-2010 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
Has the poker industry ever published the money they lose on fraudulent deposits?
How is that a loss? You mean the unrealized rake when the funds don't materialize? Ummm, that isn't a loss. It might be a very tiny cost for processing without the offsetting rake revenue being realized.

You remain as bright as always.
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12-02-2010 , 09:49 PM
Dunno if it's just me but it seems 85% every time I get KK and decide to go all in on the flop or pre, someone else at the table has AA, or when I get AA, likewise I start making big 3 bets and I get someone calling like every single time and I think to myself "Poor guy has KK" and sure enough...

So with how low the chance of being dealt AA or KK to begin with, having them both pop up during the same hand so often as pocket pairs seems pretty fishy to me.

I was wondering if anyone with a huge database of hands at FTP could possibly make a filter to see exactly how many times these hands were dealt preflop on the same hand and see if maybe the number of ocurrences might be a little unbelievable
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12-02-2010 , 09:52 PM
Yep its you. End thread.
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12-02-2010 , 09:54 PM
85% of the time, it happens every time.
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12-02-2010 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by timotinbowen
85% of the time, it happens every time.
85% of the time this is always confirmation bias
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12-02-2010 , 10:17 PM
Solid screen name.
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12-02-2010 , 10:19 PM
Yeah but the guys with 72o probably don't call an all in.

If you check there is like way more 72o v AA pre then there should be.

It's a fix
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12-02-2010 , 10:41 PM
I thought it was only when I had KK that someone else had AA... must be contagious

Just fold KK preflop and don't worry about it
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12-02-2010 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OldRod_KS
I thought it was only when I had KK that someone else had AA... must be contagious

Just fold KK preflop and don't worry about it
The thing is though I think people should worry about it. No one has any clue what the people behind the online casinos are really doing with their software. They can claim all they want about their number generators being totally random but really how do you know? Theres no independent organization that are looking through the software to maintain integrity. We just have to believe what they they tell us and I think most people just want to believe. I dont believe in using winning online pros as an example that it's not fixed in any way. You can't say well just because theyre winning that it can't be fixed; it CAN be but they have such an edge that it wouldnt ever matter in the big picture. I think its in people's best interests to not take people's words for anything, parse data, compare results, and make sure thigns at least look to be on the up and up.
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12-02-2010 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sucks At Math
The thing is though I think people should worry about it. No one has any clue what the people behind the online casinos are really doing with their software. They can claim all they want about their number generators being totally random but really how do you know? Theres no independent organization that are looking through the software to maintain integrity. We just have to believe what they they tell us and I think most people just want to believe. I dont believe in using winning online pros as an example that it's not fixed in any way. You can't say well just because theyre winning that it can't be fixed; it CAN be but they have such an edge that it wouldnt ever matter in the big picture. I think its in people's bets interests to not take people's words for anything, parse data, compare results, and make sure thigns at least look to be on the up and up.
In before rigged
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12-02-2010 , 10:56 PM
I just beat AA with KK so all this must be true.
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12-02-2010 , 10:59 PM
Just make sure you are on the right side and count your money
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12-02-2010 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sucks At Math
, likewise I start making big 3 bets and I get someone calling like every single time and I think to myself "Poor guy has KK" and sure enough...
So when a guy calls your big 3 bets, he often has KK? That's strange. Wonder why a guy calling big 3 bets often has that hand...?

Hmmmmmm....?
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12-02-2010 , 11:06 PM
I just filtered my 5 million hand db and I can confirm that it happens 85% every time

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12-02-2010 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sevenfold
So when a guy calls your big 3 bets, he often has KK? That's strange. Wonder why a guy calling big 3 bets often has that hand...?

Hmmmmmm....?
Wonder why its almost always AA vs KK, hmmmmm.
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12-02-2010 , 11:09 PM
If they have AA 85% of the time you have KK it only makes sense to stop 3betting KK, star set mining and fold everything but a set on the flop.
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12-02-2010 , 11:14 PM
I just find it hilarious how people are just so naive that they refuse to even entertain the notion that an unregulated industry, dealing with a lot of money, can never be rigged. Especially after what happened with Ultimate Bet. I mean it's not hard to get people to parse hand histories and get together and see whats what but I guess just living in ignorance is easier.

And FYI, I'm not saying Full TIlt IS rigged, I'm saying its very possible it could be but you'd never know because too many people just take the casinos at their word.
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12-02-2010 , 11:18 PM
See a few posts back were I stated....

"in before rigged"
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12-02-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Born2Bluff76
See a few posts back were I stated....

"in before rigged"
youre still in before rigged, no ones calling it rigged.
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12-02-2010 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sucks At Math
I just find it hilarious how people are just so naive that they refuse to even entertain the notion that an unregulated industry, dealing with a lot of money, can never be rigged. Especially after what happened with Ultimate Bet. I mean it's not hard to get people to parse hand histories and get together and see whats what but I guess just living in ignorance is easier.

And FYI, I'm not saying Full TIlt IS rigged, I'm saying its very possible it could be but you'd never know because too many people just take the casinos at their word.
+1
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12-02-2010 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sucks At Math
I just find it hilarious how people are just so naive that they refuse to even entertain the notion that an unregulated industry, dealing with a lot of money, can never be rigged. Especially after what happened with Ultimate Bet. I mean it's not hard to get people to parse hand histories and get together and see whats what but I guess just living in ignorance is easier.

And FYI, I'm not saying Full TIlt IS rigged, I'm saying its very possible it could be but you'd never know because too many people just take the casinos at their word.



After thinking about it, I think you are right. I remember at least 6 times in the last 3 months where I had KK and the other guy had aces. I also remember that 4 times when I had 87 suited, another guy had 87 suited. They werent the same suit, but still.
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12-03-2010 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainbow Warrior
I knew I got hit with the deck at FT last night.
This thread made me check.

1369 hands fr
AA 14 times won 13
KK 14 times won 11
JJ 13 times won 7
Never saw one AA vs KK
Strangest of all
QQ 0 times
Is there a filter in HEM to show what other cards beat you at showdown?
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