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Old 04-16-2009, 10:50 AM   #2226
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:-| I dont get it .. Hes not posting about how he played the one hand or another, hes just saying that he got the same hand 2 times and got it beaten by the same hand.
But we are interested in the mindsets of rigtards.

What causes them to lose the ability think rationally?

Are the paranoid in oter aspects of their lives?

To what extent do their bad poker skills induce their odd befiefs?


It's all grist to the mill.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:00 AM   #2227
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But we are interested in the mindsets of rigtards.

What causes them to lose the ability think rationally?

Are the paranoid in oter aspects of their lives?

To what extent do their bad poker skills induce their odd befiefs?


It's all grist to the mill.
I dont care at all ?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:02 AM   #2228
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this is incorrect. TUSK, who ran several MG skins, went busto, not the network.
OK but shouldnt the deposits still be there and isnt there a law preventing the deposits from being used?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:04 AM   #2229
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OK but shouldnt the deposits still be there and isnt there a law preventing the deposits from being used?
probably, but that has nothing to do w/the topic at hand. there is a HUGE thread about that issue around though, I believe it's titled something like "Battlefield Poker and Several Others About to Close."
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I dont care at all ?
You sir are in the wrong thread.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:05 AM   #2231
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^^^ not if he's trolling.
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WOW i just went and looked at the hands a little closer. The AcAh in villain's hands were not only the same suit but also in the exact same position in his hand, that is 1st and 3rd respectively. Parlay that with the fact that he also has any jack and any 4. Now times whatever small percent probability that is by the fact that I also have the same hand twice in a row. We are dealing with an extremely low percent here. Seems more likely that there is a glitch in the system to me.
Have you posted this in the probability section?

Id be interested to see how many million/billion to one chance this is of happening.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:07 AM   #2233
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probably, but that has nothing to do w/the topic at hand. there is a HUGE thread about that issue around though, I believe it's titled something like "Battlefield Poker and Several Others About to Close."
Well then the question stands as to what happens to player deposits?

Traded on the Stock Market like the banks?
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OK but shouldnt the deposits still be there and isnt there a law preventing the deposits from being used?
In which jurisdiction do you think such a law exists?

And why do you think sites in other jurisdictions would take any notice of it?
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I dont care at all ?
We're talking about you, not to you.
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Well then the question stands as to what happens to player deposits?

Traded on the Stock Market like the banks?
I don't know, but if you can't find the thread I mentioned PM me and I'll dig it out for you this afternoon.
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Well then the question stands as to what happens to player deposits?

Traded on the Stock Market like the banks?
Ask the question in the correct thread (or start a new one) and you might get an answer.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:06 PM   #2238
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Have you posted this in the probability section?

Id be interested to see how many million/billion to one chance this is of happening.

Using this logic, all lotteries are rigged. Just go to a winner and say it was 15 million to 1 or whatever for you to win. Since you won it must be rigged.

There is a flaw in that thinking. See if you can figure it out.

Also, you still never answered this question

What do you say to people who genuinely believe the sites are rigged to help small stacks in tournaments? Yes or no, are their rigged theories valid.

I know you keep reading the question, surely you can type in 1 word as a reply. If not, I wonder why
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:22 PM   #2239
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Have you posted this in the probability section?

Id be interested to see how many million/billion to one chance this is of happening.
In holdem there are 2.5 million possible boards and 34 sextillion ways to deal hole cards to a 9-player table, giving us 88 octillion ways (27 zeros) to deal a full hand of holdem to 9 players. It's damn near impossible for any specific combination to ever happen. Yet somehow they do.
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In holdem there are 2.5 million possible boards and 34 sextillion ways to deal hole cards to a 9-player table, giving us 88 octillion ways (27 zeros) to deal a full hand of holdem to 9 players. It's damn near impossible for any specific combination to ever happen. Yet somehow they do.
Bear in mind it was 2 Omaha hands. The hands were dealt consecutively to the same 2 players also with the hands being dealt in the same sequence i.e A 2 6 7 or whatever it was and not the next hand being 6 2 A 7. The same player won both hands with the nuts.

Isnt this like the same person winning the lottery on consecutve weeks?

Isnt that a flaw with the RNG at least?
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:13 PM   #2242
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Bear in mind it was 2 Omaha hands. The hands were dealt consecutively to the same 2 players also with the hands being dealt in the same sequence i.e A 2 6 7 or whatever it was and not the next hand being 6 2 A 7. The same player won both hands with the nuts.

Isnt this like the same person winning the lottery on consecutve weeks?

Isnt that a flaw with the RNG at least?
Could be. But I've heard of several people winning the lottery twice before too. And there are a *lot* more poker hands played than lottery tickets sold. Randomness means sometimes very long shots do happen.
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Old 04-16-2009, 01:18 PM   #2243
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Using this logic, all lotteries are rigged. Just go to a winner and say it was 15 million to 1 or whatever for you to win. Since you won it must be rigged.

There is a flaw in that thinking. See if you can figure it out.

Also, you still never answered this question
What do you say to people who genuinely believe the sites are rigged to help small stacks in tournaments? Yes or no, are their rigged theories valid.
I know you keep reading the question, surely you can type in 1 word as a reply. If not, I wonder why
There s a flaw in using the lottery as an example. The lottery is just a lucky draw whereas poker is a skill game with an element of luck, the two are not comparable.

If someone from the same small town won the lottery for a few weeks in a row you could say something is up.

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What do you say to people who genuinely believe the sites are rigged to help small stacks in tournaments? Yes or no, are their rigged theories valid.
Well Ive never seen anyone say that but I would disagree with anyone who did so NO!

I thought I answered you last time on this. I believe that small stacks are helped out in cash games not tournaments.

Incase you missed that NO NO NO.
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Could be. But I've heard of several people winning the lottery twice before too. And there are a *lot* more poker hands played than lottery tickets sold. Randomness means sometimes very long shots do happen.
But seriously isnt it a near impossibility for those two hands to be dealt like that.

The odds on this one are too long to be explained away by long shots do happen.

Poker isnt really comparable to the lottery IMO.
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Bear in mind it was 2 Omaha hands. The hands were dealt consecutively to the same 2 players also with the hands being dealt in the same sequence i.e A 2 6 7 or whatever it was and not the next hand being 6 2 A 7.
Ummm, wat?
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PokerStars Game #27144826208: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2009/04/16 4:16:08 ET
Table 'Unukalhai II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [6c 2c Ad 7s]

PokerStars Game #27144828987: Omaha Hi/Lo No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/04/16 4:16:22 ET
Table 'Gaspra' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Phunbaba23 [2h As 6s 7d]
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Could be. But I've heard of several people winning the lottery twice before too. And there are a *lot* more poker hands played than lottery tickets sold. Randomness means sometimes very long shots do happen.
Not all of them are exactly 15 million to one shots twice in a row.

The first one is a guy buying 2 tickets the same 1 week hence winning twice and other are scratchcards and smaller state type lotteries with far fewer entrants.
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So the last time I played Omaha, I got
KT96
AKJ7
AJ84
AT33

IN THAT ORDER. Even the cards were dealt in that order!

Can one of you math gurus tell me the odds of THAT?
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WOW i just went and looked at the hands a little closer. The AcAh in villain's hands were not only the same suit but also in the exact same position in his hand, that is 1st and 3rd respectively. Parlay that with the fact that he also has any jack and any 4. Now times whatever small percent probability that is by the fact that I also have the same hand twice in a row. We are dealing with an extremely low percent here. Seems more likely that there is a glitch in the system to me.
I was going by this I didnt bother to properly check his HH.
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So the last time I played Omaha, I got
KT96
AKJ7
AJ84
AT33

IN THAT ORDER. Even the cards were dealt in that order!

Can one of you math gurus tell me the odds of THAT?
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So the last time I played Omaha, I got
KT96
AKJ7
AJ84
AT33

IN THAT ORDER. Even the cards were dealt in that order!

Can one of you math gurus tell me the odds of THAT?
Brilliant illustration imo.
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