Sick scam to defraud players by giving them $22k, imo.

So you dont see the point ??

Thats very lol Josem ...

How you going guys? Ill just give you a quick background of myself in regards to poker.

Ive been around a little as I have played probably millions of hands over the last 7 years and even dabbled seriously when out of work at one point in time. Im a winning live player but a losing online player. I would definately be a winning online player if I had managed my bankroll online which I never have done. Ive been up thousands and then lost thousands online. Ive played the very lowest stake games up to 3000 NL.(HU also).

Decided to post this here for now obviously.

Ive got some simple answers and statements for online poker in general. I would be very interested in others thoughts also.

Ill start with, i guess, the more negative things. There are actually a lot..

1). One of the biggest ever sites previously has been PROVEN to be rigged(im sure we know which one as it was even on current affairs tv shows)

2).Actually make that 2. Does anyone remember what happened with Pitbull.

3). Look whats happening with the 2nd biggest site and one of the MOST RESPECTED sites in online poker history. Full Tilt. This isnt to do with any rigging that has been made apparent but it doesnt matter. Look at what has happened anyway.

4). I personally have tried to cashout thousands of dollars before out of a couple of network sites and it takes months. You decide to cancel the withdrawal request (which of course is my mistake in the first place). Put in a smaller request so you can play with some winnings as it is taking so long and of course you cant win anything to 'save your life'.
This seems to happen every time in this situation without fail.

5). Variance in my opinion in relation to poker basically really means LUCK.

6). It doesnt feel like real money anyway online, even when your playing 3000 NL heads up.

7). Possible collusion, software available, even the remote possibility of outright cheating(multiple accounts/hacks/yada yada).... You get the point.

8). Plays with your emotions/ plays with everyones emotions to some degree. Whether you admit it or not.

All of this is off the top of my head so to speak.
Positive Ideas.

1). Online poker is a LOT of fun.

2). Online poker is an escape at times. Almost similar to computer games(but money can be involved).

3). You can make a lot of money in short term IF YOUR LUCKY.

4). Its convenient which is prob the main reason why poker rooms are rich.

5). You can make small amounts of money long term.

Sorry Im rambling a little and I have a lot more to say but ill leave it there.

I really appreciate if anyone can give their opinions to this post.

Thanks.

I think several of ITT have said that it makes the most sense for a site to rig when they plan it as a last ditch effort to get some money out of a failing business. This was one of the suspicons at pitbull.

So the first issue is whether they were actually running a scam or just engaged in piss poor management - making mistake after mistake.

But let's put that aside and accept your hypothesis for the sake of the argument. Let's say that they were planing a hit and run (before the collapse of the scheme) and had motive to try and rig to max their potential take. What then? Is that evidence of rigging? No: it's just motive.

You still have to go to the next step and show that actual rigging was going on. And we're back where we started.

Forget about the motives. Focuss on evidence of a crime.

Can you please explain the scam then?

It cracks me up that 2+2 players still believe the online sites were basically on the up and up during this entire past decade or so.

Oh the innocence of youth

61%? lmao

According to your logic, if someone is convicted of rape, they are automatically guilty of murder.

Little Digger,

Some sites are legitimate, some sites are not.

Some regulatory jurisdictions are legitimate, some are not.

Oh my god, DEJA VU!

And you are here only because you are super interested?

I'm not following. Did you understand my point? motive is only one part of the puzzle. It's the reason someone MIGHT do something. It is not evidence that they have actually done it.

So I'm saying (as I've been saying), take for the sake of the argument that the sites have motive to rig. Does the inquiry end there? case closed? Of course not. You still need to establish that something is actually going on.

We all have possible motives for all sorts of things. Doesn't mean we've done them!

Thats really reensuring about OLP

1). Honest&Logical doesn't know what "rigged" means. No ****, gray market businesses aren't as quick as completely above board companies? How is this a negative? Again, huh? No one has ever, eeeeeeever colluded live. And again, something that covers not just online poker, but a variety of things in life.
Oh boy!

First off, these "2+2 players" are either the very ignorant or site promoters.
61%, makes sense. The general public is usually wrong.

Yea, right, site promoter. Perfect example of obvious manipulation below.

Excellent example of obvious rigging. This phenomenon happens to EVERYONE. When something happens EVERY time it is NOT a coincidence.
Point here, OLP is rigged! No question about it.

OK BR, back to ignoring you. Can't say I didn't try!

Probably just using this as an example to show the integrity of you site promoters on here. You promoters on here are about as trustworthy as FTP.

Thats right, when you hear the truth, put your fingers in your ears and say la la la la la la la.

Well, it applies to every industry. There are some good mechanics, there are some bad mechanics. There are some good doctors, there are some bad doctors.

Obviously, I think highly of one particular business - that's why I work there. Other people may have different views.

I think that there are some good operators in the online poker industry, and clearly, there are some really dodgy/criminal/etc. operators. I've played a little role in helping to distinguish between the two, because I believe that if the market place has more information, customers can make generally better decisions about where to spend their time and which product/service to use.

So what you are saying is they kept hiding the truth?........Well I guess we won't ......You come to the right place!

This is why I like you sir!....You tell the truth!

hand selection and position is everything kids, it is not rigged

Still waiting for evidence of rigging. Do you have it yet?

I see the ignorant, the site promoters and poker employees are out in force today.
Open your eyes and take a look at post #39741. While youre at it, if you play that is, open your eyes there also and see what goes on at the tables.

So do you have evidence or not?

His evidence is that cashouts take a long time to process, ldo.