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Bonus's that are bought thru the Iron man store do come out of rakeback. Also if you purchase points and spend the points that comes out of your rakeback. And finally if you purchase a tourny token and the tourny doesn't meet the Guarantee $ then it also comes out of rakeback. However all other items purchased in the Iron man store shouldn't affect the rakeback. At least this is how it was before.

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11-04-2009 , 05:58 AM

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ktulu22

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Originally Posted by IFORGET

Not sure if this is true.... I assumed the same at first and ordered it thru the iron man store. But then thought about it.

5k points = a $6.75 RB hit... however 100 medals is worth $18.57. Because 140 medals are worth a $26 token. Therefore if you don't mind playing a tourny with the token then it is cheaper to use 5k points...

I thought this at first too but the part you are leaving out is that the 5000 ftp points you are spending are worth a total of $25 on top of the $6.75 rakeback hit for a total cost of $31.75.

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11-04-2009 , 06:05 AM

#153

ktulu22

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Originally Posted by IFORGET

Hate to contradict you again but the bonuses are deducted from rakeback. You are correct about the tokens and points.

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11-04-2009 , 09:10 AM

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signuptoday

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Originally Posted by ktulu22

Hate to contradict you again but the bonuses are deducted from rakeback. You are correct about the tokens and points.

buying bonus does not effect your rakeback
but clearing bonus do
if you don't believe me, you can buy a bonus and not clear it. and check to see if there is any rakeback deduction.
so using iron medals does not effect rakeback.

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11-04-2009 , 09:36 AM

#155

YouR_DooM

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Originally Posted by SuperTom86

GL with your tokens everyone. I'll keep using my 16 character, random password and stay away from downloading suspicious content for now though.

You do realize that having a 20000 character password or a 5 charachter password does not change a thing? It's nearly impossible to brute-force hack the password, as an attempt to login a few million times would be noted by FT.

The only way to hack a password is to either gain access to the email account or by installing a keylogger on your pc. And both these methods don't depend on password lenght. You could have a 5000000000 character password, and it wouldn't change squat.

And what suspicious software do you want to download? It's a hardware token...

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11-04-2009 , 10:08 AM

#156

hitthedeck

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finally a ft token. well done.

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11-04-2009 , 10:44 AM

#157

mustmuck

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Originally Posted by ubiquitous

I was making an honest comment and you decided to troll me.

Meh, you could have a point. Have I ever lost anything? Of course I have. Will I lose this security token? Of course I wont. Like, way less than a 1% chance I lose it in the next few years.

We can certainly agree that FTP should have the option of a code sheet to go with the token. However, the advantages of having the token are much greater than the disadvantages due to the possibility of loss.

It's also much more likely that the token gets broken or stolen than it getting lost.

Post whoring though? Seriously?

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11-04-2009 , 01:51 PM

#158

ICMoney

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Originally Posted by Number1Hater

just wondering, if one with a bankroll of <2k, would this be worth it?

It's only a few bucks.

Hopefully your br is larger in the future.

You'll get it eventually so might as well get it now.

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11-04-2009 , 03:05 PM

#159

cheet

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Originally Posted by SuperTom86

GL with your tokens everyone. I'll keep using my 16 character, random password and stay away from downloading suspicious content for now though.

There is 100% upside to using the Token, there is no risk. Why wouldn't you use it? The fact is, without it you are vulnerable no matter how complicated your password is or what you download.

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11-04-2009 , 03:10 PM

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IFORGET

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Originally Posted by IFORGET

Bonus's that are bought thru the Iron man store DO come out of rakeback. Also if you purchase points and spend the points that comes out of your rakeback. And finally if you purchase a tourny token and the tourny doesn't meet the Guarantee $ then it also comes out of rakeback. However all other items purchased in the Iron man store shouldn't affect the rakeback. At least this is how it was before.

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Originally Posted by ktulu22

Hate to contradict you again but the bonuses are deducted from rakeback. You are correct about the tokens and points.

ummm ya I said that the bonus's DO come out of your RB.....

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Originally Posted by ktulu22

I thought this at first too but the part you are leaving out is that the 5000 ftp points you are spending are worth a total of $25 on top of the $6.75 rakeback hit for a total cost of $31.75.

How is the 5k points worth $25 on top of $6.75?? If you spend the points it only costs you $6.75. If you spend the medals it costs you $18.xx.

Can't compare the two because one comes out of RB and the other doesn't... therefore you only spend points on things you want. You are free to spend your medals though without coming out of RB so if you do spend your medals here it costs you $18.xx....

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11-04-2009 , 03:29 PM

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pineapple888

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WHO CARES IF IT'S $23 OR $28 YOU FREAKIN NITS.

Just pick one method randomly FFS.

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11-04-2009 , 03:48 PM

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ktulu22

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Originally Posted by signuptoday

What's the difference if your rakeback takes an immediate hit or takes a hit as you clear it? Point is, the bonuses do affect your rakeback.

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11-04-2009 , 03:55 PM

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ktulu22

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Originally Posted by IFORGET

ummm ya I said that the bonus's DO come out of your RB.....

How is the 5k points worth $25 on top of $6.75?? If you spend the points it only costs you $6.75. If you spend the medals it costs you $18.xx.

Can't compare the two because one comes out of RB and the other doesn't... therefore you only spend points on things you want. You are free to spend your medals though without coming out of RB so if you do spend your medals here it costs you $18.xx....

Because FTP points have a monetary value of $.005 for each point. IE you can buy into the $22 double deuce for 4400 FTP. So not only are you going to take the $6.75 rakeback hit, you are also going to use 5000 points which is equal to $25 of value.

If you do not want to use your FTP points to enter tournies or buy other stuff in the store, then use them to buy the RSA. But it is definitely better value to buy them through ironman.

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11-04-2009 , 04:33 PM

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IFORGET

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Originally Posted by ktulu22

I forgot that there were some tourny's you could buy in with points. However that just means FTP priced them both the same then. Because if you were to spend 5k points it costs you $6.75 and spending medals costs you nothing. Therefore your 5k points worth $25 - $6.75 that it costs you is worth $18.25 and spending the medals is 18.57. So its close but ya points is slightly cheaper!

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Originally Posted by pineapple888

WHO CARES IF IT'S $23 OR $28 YOU FREAKIN NITS.

Just pick one method randomly FFS.

LOL just trying to be helpful to others... I like to collect my medals... up to 21,000 now haha.

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11-04-2009 , 06:05 PM

#165

roger1111

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Originally Posted by ktulu22

What's the difference if your rakeback takes an immediate hit or takes a hit as you clear it? Point is, the bonuses do affect your rakeback.

Absolutely correct. The only way to get your bonus is to clear. It would be somewhat silly to purchase a bonus and not clear it.

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11-04-2009 , 06:38 PM

#166

Andronicus

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Originally Posted by IFORGET

LOL just trying to be helpful to others... I like to collect my medals... up to 21,000 now haha.

WTF?! Why are you saving all those medals? You could get the cash bonuses ($600 a pop) if nothing else.

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11-04-2009 , 06:59 PM

#167

IFORGET

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Originally Posted by Andronicus

WTF?! Why are you saving all those medals? You could get the cash bonuses ($600 a pop) if nothing else.

bonus's come out of RB... tourny tokens don't.... so to get max value i'm passing on the bonus's.

So why not save up my medals and build a sit n go / tourny roll haha. If I ever bust my account i'll have couple hundred buyin roll waiting for me. Currently have enough medals to buy 150 $26 tokens.

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11-04-2009 , 08:45 PM

#168

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Originally Posted by IFORGET

so to get max value i'm passing on the bonus's..

Passing on everything kinda gets you the min value...

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11-04-2009 , 11:26 PM

#169

Mrage

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Originally Posted by TheGunslinger

Passing on everything kinda gets you the min value...

QFT

But, to each their own

Personally I would worry about them devaluing the ironman medals.

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11-05-2009 , 01:36 AM

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chicken10der

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actually i would think that the chance of them going up in value (e.g. a bonus bigger than $600 or FTOPS tickets being added to the store) is more likely.

as things stand now, and with rb, the tokens are a better direct value by 4 cents per medal. over 21k medals, that's an extra $840. and that's if you breakeven over all of those tourneys - any positive ROI and it's even more.

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11-05-2009 , 02:00 AM

#171

IFORGET

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Originally Posted by TheGunslinger

Passing on everything kinda gets you the min value...

Ya good thing i'm not passing on everything.

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11-05-2009 , 02:26 AM

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I'm glad that this thread didn't get derailed.

I'm also really glad that poker players who regularly post on 2p2 think that just because 5k points hits your RB for $6 = it only costs you $6.

BTW you're all doing it wrong FTPs are worth what the best value you can get for them are. I'm not sure what that is ATM but it's prob like $3.5-$4 after MGR hit so $3.5(or$4)*5 = the actual cost to you in value.

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11-05-2009 , 02:36 AM

#173

Myttazz

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Originally Posted by gila

I ordered from the Iron Man store and also did not receive confirmation.

ditto. I sent e-mail making sure they received the order.
awaiting response on that now.

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11-05-2009 , 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SiQ

I'm also really glad that poker players who regularly post on 2p2 think that just because 5k points hits your RB for $6 = it only costs you $6.

BTW you're all doing it wrong FTPs are worth what the best value you can get for them are. I'm not sure what that is ATM but it's prob like $3.5-$4 after MGR hit so $3.5(or$4)*5 = the actual cost to you in value.

excellent fail. an rsa token has a monetary value of about $50-60. for 5k points, that means it IS the best value you can get by far.

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11-05-2009 , 03:18 AM

#175

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Hi XXXXXXX,

As a token of our appreciation, we’d like to offer you one of our new Security Keys free of charge.
A Security Key is a piece of hardware that produces a six-digit code that changes automatically every 30 seconds. This code is used in addition to your Player ID and Password to access your Full Tilt Poker account.

To receive your Security Key, please reply to this email verifying that your physical address and phone number are still valid. You can check or update your personal information by logging in to your Full Tilt Poker account and clicking on Cashier.

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Good luck at the tables,

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Anybody else get this offer? Do they think I have a high risk of being hacked or something?

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