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07-27-2009 , 12:19 AM

#126

john voight

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 13,532

my tips:

don't transfer money w/ ppl. if you do, make sure there aren't like 3k stars for 3k FTP swaps.

don't use any banned software. don't even install it on your PC to see what it does.

don't keep your whole roll online.
I honestly dont see why you need more than 30BI unless you play LAG HU, or 24 table (can only play 16 on FTP iirc). I mean, If I have 30BI and I get it down to like 5, well then I guess I just gotta deposite some money or something. What is the big deal?

dont fold AK, if you do, they will think you are colluding

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07-27-2009 , 12:52 AM

#127

Dire

banned

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,581

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Originally Posted by mayday4379

Some of the guys in this group were mega volume players.

I guess I don't really have any feelings on this issue.

-FTP is very aggressively banning anybody they suspect of botting and everybody related to them

-It is possible they end up banning some innocent players, but there's probably 0% chance they ever confiscate the funds of somebody who is innocent.

-If banned from FTP, you can always play on Stars who are apparently vastly more conservative on who they ban - for better or for worse.

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07-27-2009 , 02:03 AM

#128

joshrocker

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 483

I'm so scared now and days that I take the safe path with all things related to internet poker.

Tranfers? i've made 2 with my best friend for very small amounts, I would not and will not transfer with anyone else.

I will not log on at anyone elses house or let anyone log on at my house.

I won't even play at the same table as my best friend (the one i've done the transfers with). We know each others game so well that i'm afraid that some advanced play we put on each other will be mis-understood as collusion or whatever.

I won't go to shakscope or PTR at all on my PC out of fear that at some point they will see I visited these sites and ban me.

Pretty sad that I have to take all of these measures just to make sure my account is free and clear. . . .whats the world come to when I can't even safely play poker with my friends over the internet?

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07-27-2009 , 02:30 AM

#129

BANDDOG

enthusiast

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 76

so the ftp refer a friend thing for 100 bucks is not a good option.

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07-27-2009 , 02:59 AM

#130

joshrocker

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 483

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Originally Posted by BANDDOG

so the ftp refer a friend thing for 100 bucks is not a good option.

As I just posted, i'm more careful then others probably, but I would avoid it with all but the best of friends. Is $100 worth your roll if FTP decides the person you refered is shady?

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07-27-2009 , 04:49 AM

#131

steelerian

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,982

well I use PTR, sharkscope, and OPR every day whilst playing, and I havent had any problems, so thats cant be it

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07-27-2009 , 06:39 AM

#132

IOwnlyPlayAtStars

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 175

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Originally Posted by PlayingWithStyle

I posted in this thread I do not know OP but just briefly posted my situation.

Full Tilt bans 5 players, myself included for reasons unknown. They will not provide any of us with any reason as to why we were banned. I hope that the 2+2 community can help us figure it out. I write this post only because I am very innocent and I believe that the other 4 banned players are as well. In this post/thread, I will provide all information given to me by FullTiltPoker and will answer any questions you all have for me. Here is a list of the FTP names that I know of that were banned as well as my relationship with them.

Stylistic – Me. I am a regular at NL400/NL200 FR games. I've been on FTP as a regular for the past 4-5 years.

Tulegit21 – A friend of mine, I've known him for well over 10 years and I taught him how to make money at the low stakes tables. He plays mainly nl100 FR and is a known regular at these limits. I am sure other NL100 regulars can vouch for him as a regular.

TNN4731 – My older brother, I also taught him how to make some money at the low stakes tables. He also play NL100 FR along with Tulegit (for the record, they do not collude). I don't know anybody that wants my brother's money more than Tulegit and vice versa. They love to attack each other even though they are friends. It's an ego thing because they both want to be better than each other.

Jookie169 – A good friend of mine that is trying to learn the game but is lazy and is a break even player at NL25

Tewreal – Tulegit's friend/protege. He is also a breakeven/losing player at nl10/NL25/NL50 just learning the game.

I believe that Full Tilt Poker has made a mistake. After discussing with various people from twoplustwo, I am well aware that the only other possibly is that one of my friends has lied to me. However, I do not believe that to be the case at all because they make a decent living at these games compared to a normal job. They are very blessed to be able to do this and avoid the work life. On another note, these guys are VERY COMPUTER ILLITERATE. Any questions regarding softwares they have, they usually have to come to me. I hate to out them on this but they are also very lazy to go on the forums to research material for their game. Therefore, I just can't imagine them doing anything shady let alone multi-accounting, using bot softwares etc. It just does not fit their personality at all. Such shadiness requires a lot of research and I believe they are not fit to do that.

A side note, I did download spadeye:
I was told to check out spadeye about a month ago because apparently it's a good software to select tables on FTP. I was always skeptical of these softwares being illegal but I saw a post by FTPDoug saying that spadeye light is legal. So I immediately went and downloaded the software but accidently downloaded Spadeye (spadeye and spadeye light are from the same website). I ran the program once but never signed up for it only because it didn't seem that important to my game. However, I did have the software sitting on my desktop.

Anyway, I don't think that's the reason why FTP banned all 5 of us and usually if there's an illegal software of this sort, FTP usually warns players about it before doing something drastic like banning them for life. But I want note it here so that you guys won't ask me whether or not I downloaded any bad softwares. If any software is bad, this should be it, but this just cannot be the reason why FTP would banned 5 players trying to make a living.
This also goes for Tableratings. I'm sure at one point we all went on TR but eventually avoided it. But I again don't think this is a reason for banning 5 players.

My purpose for this post? Well, obviously it'll be nice to be able to get us all reinstated to play on FTP. But I think what's really important is to get FTP to tell the twoplustwo community what we have done wrong. This will accomplish a some things:

1)I want to know so that I do not make this mistake again, perhaps on another poker site.
2)I am sure there are poker regulars on FTP such as myself that are very serious about the game and do not want to risk making transfers or associations with anyone that would risk them getting banned. Obviously, had I been more clear of this, I personally will NOT TRANSFER TO ANYONE even if it's my best friend or my brother!
3)I know this is a case in which these 5 players are innocent and I am certain that FTP have made a mistake and might reconsider their investigations on players in the past that are possibly innocent.
4)It sucks that FTP can just be the judge and jury: guilty until proven innocent. I'm sure the 2plus2 community would like this recorded. As of right now, I am banned for life. My case is closed period. All emails I've sent are now ignored.
5)How clear is FTP with illegal software, is spadeeye really that bad to the point where they ban without warning? I'm sure other regulars would like to be more clarified on this matter.

Some clues, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

In our case, FTP has allowed us to cash out our money, so this has to eliminate the following accusations:

Botting and collusion – I think in these cases, FTP usually confiscates $ in the account. Again, please correct me if I am wrong and link thread with cases in which people have used bot softwares, or colluded but were allowed to cash out.

Multi-Accounting – FTP obviously disproves of this fraud, and when players abuse this, they usually ban but I think they allow cashout. This would make this the most likely reason. However, they usually tell the players that they are banned because of Multi-accounting. In our case, FTP has not revealed to us what we did wrong. Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

So what else can there be? What other reason will FTP ban 5 players but will allow them to cash out? This is where my mind is mostly boggled. I cannot think of a reason. Can you guys help me here?

Order of Events:

Around June 16, 2009 FTP emails my friend Tulegit21 that his account has been suspended for investigation. Perhaps later he can come on 2+2 and post his emails.

Then a week later on June 24, 2009 I suddenly could not log into my account. I emailed them and this was their reply:

Hello,
*
We are writing to inform you that your Full Tilt Poker account has now been closed.

As a result of a comprehensive security review we have taken the decision to exclude you from the site. We have taken this decision as a precautionary measure to protect the integrity of our site. Whilst we understand that this decision will be frustrating we are exercising our authority to close any account as outlined under Term 3 of our End User License Agreement:

?Full Tilt Poker retains authority over the issuing, maintenance, and closing of players' accounts at Full Tilt Poker. The decision of Full Tilt Poker management, as regards any aspect of a player's account, use of the Software, or dispute resolution is final.?

Which can be seen here:

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/end_user_license_agreement

The remaining balance of your account is $XXXXXX and you are free to cash-out this amount. You are currently cleared for withdrawals via check. We will initiate a full balance withdrawal upon acknowledgment of this email.

You are not permitted to set up any more accounts with Full Tilt Poker. Should you do so, any further accounts will be closed and their balances may be forfeited.

Regards,

Security

I get a call from my brother and the other banned guys saying they received the same email. I send FTP an email asking why this has happened and this was their reply:

Hello,

Thank you for your reply.

To maintain the integrity of our site and for the protection and security of our players, Full Tilt Poker must take all necessary precautions and we are exercising our right to close any account as outlined under Term 3 of our End User License Agreement

Please note that you are not permitted to create another account at Full Tilt Poker. If you attempt to do so, the account will be closed and any associated funds may be forfeited.

3 Checks will be delivered to your registered postal address to cover your current balance.

Regards,

Security
Full Tilt Poker

So 2plus2 community, can you please tell me what we possibly did wrong to be banned for life?

Seriously, play the live circuit for a few months and final table a headline event. Anything WSOP or WPT or maybe 2 or 3 popular regular Casino ran tourneys. FTP will be begging you to come back,and they'll make you a red pro for it. Or, become a B list Celebrity (See: Bruce Buffer, Matt Huges). that will at least get you top 16 friends on FTP myspace. Or just play @ pokerstars.

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07-27-2009 , 08:09 AM

#133

SimaoMacaco

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,989

The key point is that FTP should explain thier actions. Where is FTP based?

Full tilt poker is based in Ireland? if so then EU law would apply. I am no legal expert but poker is regulated in many countries.

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07-27-2009 , 09:00 AM

#134

tyler9768

adept

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,137

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Originally Posted by steelerian

Good. Serves you right you sc*mbag. Learn how to play poker properly.

lol, if you don't know how to deal with short stackers, I'm pretty sure you are the one who needs to learn to play poker better.

While I realize FTP has a need to protect their site, it's obvious they go overboard and ban innocent players. I think a better option in the cases where they don't find specific wrong doing, is to restrict the account. In my case make it so I have to buy in full if that's tripping their sensors. Restrict the OP in this case from playing with these other accounts.

I really enjoyed playing at FT and would go back in a second if they let me. The thing I dislike is that I never knew short stacking could risk my account and never would have done it if I'd known it could. Same thing with OP here, I'm sure he would have made different choices (Even though the choices he made weren't malicious) if he had known it could result in this. Not worth refferring a friend if you lose your account.

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07-27-2009 , 01:38 PM

#135

joshrocker

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 483

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Originally Posted by tyler9768

Do you really think FTP banned you because you were a short stacker?? There has to be more to the story, something else that triggered the ban. I'm not saying you were guilty as I believe FTP has banned some innocent players, but for short stacking?

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07-27-2009 , 02:09 PM

#136

pineapple888

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13,111

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Originally Posted by joshrocker

tyler and a whole bunch of others apparently have been banned for playing in a bot-like manner (high volume, formulaic play), which is the whole point of short-stacking for profit.

Some were bots. Some weren't and got reinstated. It's my personal belief that some weren't but got banned anyway.

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07-27-2009 , 02:26 PM

#137

KurtSF

Lucky Number Seven

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 16,471

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Originally Posted by PlayingWithStyle

It really looks like there won't be any closure for my group nor for this thread and I already accepted the fact of not being able to play on there.

This is pretty sick, style. Sorry this happened to you.

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07-27-2009 , 02:30 PM

#138

glassman

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 281

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Originally Posted by GreenSmoke85

Read what I said again, because you misunderstood it. A bunch of ppl registered in 2008 w simliar dates and made simliar posts in defence. You wouldn't be included in my comment based on your "2004 join date" not based on the number of posts you have.

What does my join date and # posts have to do with the situation? My comments are based on observed play against OP and others banned.

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07-28-2009 , 04:10 AM

#139

joshrocker

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 483

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Originally Posted by pineapple888

WOW! I hate short stackers as much as the next guy but to see them get banned is a little on the crazy side. I guess SS play is very "bot" like but I would also think FTP would be able to tell the difference. er. . . maybe not. . .

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07-29-2009 , 04:59 AM

#140

five4suited

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9,026

Quote:

Originally Posted by mayday4379

i really have no objections with what FTP did. They found something they didn't like, took the safe approach and closed the accounts and let them cash out. Their risk / reward was loose a few K in rake, but eliminate some sort of threat.

They have an option of who can play at their site. They didn't take anyone's money and they don't have to state why they closed the accounts. It's a business.

since they banned you but let you cash out, and you claim you're innocent, one of your friends definitely must have done something. and if you're not innocent, one of your "friends" definitely must have done something. i'm not so sure about that either way, you overemphasize their computer illiteracy a bit much for my tastes, but whatever.

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07-29-2009 , 06:25 AM

#141

Cmoneymaker9

banned

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 627

apparently having guilty friends makes you guilty as well. thems the runs, OP

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07-29-2009 , 06:32 AM

#142

Nofx Fan

banned

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,632

LOL

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07-29-2009 , 06:40 AM

#143

Cmoneymaker9

banned

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 627

nofx why you so jealous brah?? u in love with me or somethin? i aint into that kid.

LOL

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07-29-2009 , 06:45 AM

#144

Cybralisk

journeyman

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 323

well at least they let you cashout your money

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07-29-2009 , 06:55 AM

#145

Nofx Fan

banned

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,632

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Originally Posted by Cmoneymaker9

nofx why you so jealous brah?? u in love with me or somethin? i aint into that kid.

LOL

Just liked the LOL game, I'll let you be now. gl

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07-29-2009 , 02:00 PM

#146

abstractls

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,568

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Originally Posted by five4suited

you overemphasize their computer illiteracy a bit much for my tastes, but whatever.

This is a really dumb comment. You have no idea how computer illiterate they are, it's a running joke that I make fun of Tulegit for because he's asian and doesn't know computers. We talk about it enough because they are THAT bad at computers.

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07-30-2009 , 05:57 PM

#147

mayday4379

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,733

guys, TNN and Tulelegit were never shortstackers adn they got banned.

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07-30-2009 , 06:10 PM

#148

PlayingWithStyle

journeyman

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 247

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Originally Posted by mayday4379

guys, TNN and Tulelegit were never shortstackers adn they got banned.

TBH, i seriously thought the whole ss banning was a joke.

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07-30-2009 , 06:13 PM

#149

cds0699

LOSING

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9,018

TNN and tulegit are deff diff players. Stats I have on them below, both solid hand sample sizes > 5k hands each. They are both full stack players, 100 bbs +

TNN - 9/7/4 with a 4% 3b

tulegit - 12/8/2 with a 4% 3b

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07-30-2009 , 07:20 PM

#150

five4suited

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 9,026

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Originally Posted by abstractls

i don't care whether it's true or not, my point is that you bring it up at every opportunity, and it's a pretty good alibi for a lot of illegal activities (with the exception of collusion), and one of your friends seems to have engaged in one of those activities.

i'd be a lot more pissed than you seem to be if i were a winning reg at 200nl/400nl and one of my friends royally screwed me (unless i knew about it already).

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