i hope some idiots at pokerstars read this!

THE ONLY REASON ONLINE POKER EXISTS IS BECAUSE OF THE WINNING PLAYERS.

THEY ARE THE REAL PROOF THAT ONLINE POKER IS NOT RIGGED!
if you scare them away, and you are on the best way making the games unbeatable with the rake increases, online poker will be destroyed! you can make as many videos you want showing a bold guy talking about rngs, zeros and ones and after that show some facilities with servers, but we will always believe the friends friend who is making a living from online poker! you better keep that winning player alive and tell idiots like negreanu to shut the **** up when they are saying that online poker is dying because of winning players!

please feel free to repost this statement anywhere you want so that as many as possible people can read this.

Haha soundtrack was the icing on the cake! It must be hard when you've made it to the top

LOL

and this is why everyone is quitting stars, FU amaya

Anyone know roughly what kind of bb/100 hit the rake changes cause for the HU games at each stake?

How come there's so little competition for GreedStars is mind-boggling to me, given how lucrative their business has been... I thought I'd try out 888 poker yesterday. Their software is horrible and there are maybe 5 people playing there altogether. They are far, far behind. Sad

You've answered your question yourself,it's all in the software. 888 indeed horrible,Ipoker slightly better but still crap,i would've played on merge but there's no one to play with. Sad.

how come they cant create a ....... software for a billion dollar industry, hollycrap we can walk on the moon but cant create a good software?
Fired those imcompetent people

My thoughts exactly,sure there're 1000s of talented programmers out there capable of creating poker product on par with PS and FT.Look what they can do with videogames this days.

+1 billion

It's so sad how easily this was forgotten.

Meh until you have done it you will never understand.

I've spent the last month working 13-14 hours/day and weekends at my 9-5 job, its still nowhere near as hard as it was doing my first time SNE run.

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Definitely repeat this statement if you like complete and utter nonsense
there are zero casino winners and online casinos stll exist
The vast majority of poker players lose and still play.the dont play bc some people can win.they play because they find it fun.a lot of them think the winning players are actually house players anyway.
when online poker isnt FUN they stop playing. Losing money is fine if you have fun.when you lose it doing something that is as boring as watching paint dry such as online poker the last few years they find something better to do with their money.
guys like you are beyond clueless.

Xposting this from another thread:



borg, why dont you DISCLAIMER yourself as a primarily reg spd mtt player, and therefore not affected adversely so far by AMAYAs changes before every post you make in these threads

im sure alot of people complaining about this dont rely on rakeback to make a living so lets not paint everyone with the same brush, regardless of who you are if rake is raised it hurts your expectation

i personally vented the year before it was released that i thought SNE was going to kill poker

you go ahead and adapt to mtts becoming spin and go prize pools before you assume full "on high horse" position over all this ye?

Maybe despite what the 24 tabling 25 nl warriors think running a business that competes with one that makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year isnt quite as easy as they thought.

Reason I started playing was because I met a guy at a party who was playing online for a living. I started making money and 3 of my friends signed up and started playing because of that. If no chance of winning long term and just wanting to gamble I'd play casino games since it's faster.

So just because of that guy I met 4 guys deposited money online. And that was just me and my friends, probably more guys he met before started playing after talking to him etc

So because I live in the us I cant post when someone posts something that is a complete lie? I cant call you out when you post your own bull****? Regs would be a lot better off in the long run if they understood why most fish play poker.and its not bc some guy way better than them at it wins.there are people who spend year after year losing at sports betting, horse racing, slots, table games and poker.and with the exception of winning poker players those who are taking their money year in and year out understand they will keep dumping money as long as they enjoy themselves.

If you want a circle jerk where everyone just tells each other how great they are at poker, how theyre owed a living and how greedy the sites are while ignoring facts and reality maybe you should make your own posting forum.

borg23, youre stating unpopular opinions here
people are rather to believe that p* is their lord and saviour then a normal money-making business lol

Sure a very small majority keep playing bc they win.some stop playing bc they lose.the constant fish donators play bc they have fun playing.these players are way more important to poker than winning players.winners stop playing when they stop winning.the vast majority of losers stop when they stop having fun.

The winners wouldnt be there without the losers.the current losers would still play with each other if the winners stopped playing.

You as you stated only kept playing because you won.youre in the small minority.just because you or i would have stopped playing if it wasnt profitable doesnt mean thats how most people think.the losers kept you playing, not the other way around.

If PokerStars is content to transition into a company that will start making normal sized profits with a normal sized player pool, then all is good.

no its because moneymaker and jamie gold didnt seem that good and they won

and its because some guy they knew claimed to be a poker pro


just unsure why you have so much to say in defence of a business that has mad a very unpopular choice in the eyes of everyone who understands the choice

and not informed anyone who doesnt (thats the responsibility of the people who get it)
a normal business would think more about their 5 year profit margins than just the next quarters

and if in pokerstars industry position as an unrivaled monopoly both short and long term interests are best served by current actions and also very very contrary to players intersts.... then we need to find solutions that dont involve pokerstars

Lol they actually think stars used to care about them.and think someone like guy libertie is gonna swoop in to create a site that lets them print easy money.

stars made 2006 decisions based on the 2006 online poker market. Stars in 2014 makes decisions based on the 2014 market . it's as simple as that.If the old stars regime had a way to make one dollar more and it meant all the stars players would be broke and hungry they would have done it.

Can somebody tell me if the new cap is based on the number of players at the table or the number of players in the pot?

For example, does "2-Players" mean that this applies only to heads-up cash game, or does it mean that this applies to every pot at a 6-max/9-max table where the post-flop pot is contested between two players?

Also, does this apply to the Zoom games, or is it only for non-Zoom games?

Much of the fun comes from the skill element involved in poker.
There are plenty of poker players (winners and losers) that have ZERO interest in playing casino games.

Please stop portraying all poker players as degenerate gamblers. You sound like Sheldon Adelson.

Fair enough but my friends aren't winning (2 of them stopped playing like you said though. One of them still plays for fun while trying to learn and donates around 150 a month probably. My point is that if me just meeting this guy at a party started a ripple effect that got 4 persons to deposit money online probably way more people have deposited money at some point just because of that very dude and obv not all of them turned out as winners.

I'm not saying all recs starts playing poker because of the fact there are winners out there. But saying no recs at all plays because they got inspired/started dreamin after hearing about winners is def disingenuous

Yea gold and moneymaker got them to try poker.
And what happened? Most people lost and the ones who had fun kept playing.

It's funny you want to talk about thinking more than 5 years ahead.
As a group poker players have barely thought five weeks ahead. They wanted to make money NOW and have largley destroyed the game and given fish little to no reason to play.

Online poker and poker in general just isnt that popular anymore.as much as I like it it the grand scheme of things the boom was a passing fad . additionally the software is just going to get better and better as will bots . popularity will wane even more.while I think some of the rake increases are excessive stars is smart for starting to go in the direction of casino games, spin and gos etc.