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View Poll Results: Who Will Win "Nets v. Vets"?
Brian "sbrugby" Townsend
48 15.58%
Doyle Brunson
33 10.71%
Tom "Durrr" Dwan
95 30.84%
Johnny Chan
54 17.53%
Huck Seed
69 22.40%
Andrew "good2cu" Robl
9 2.92%

07-22-2008 , 06:33 PM
what would you doooooooo for a klondike bar?
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07-22-2008 , 07:31 PM
Chan's utg limp with jj was awesome, so deceptive. Then he tries to do it again with A-rag thinking these guys will put me on QQ now and gets insta-raised by 4 high.

I think the first ep has been entertaining, Chan's constant needling of Robl when he was facing an all-in decision was douchy imo, the whole hand took ~9 mins.
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07-22-2008 , 07:35 PM
Didn't read the entire thread, so this may have already been said.

Robl and Dwan seem like a couple of really odd dudes. Weird looking, strange vocal affects... Geeks with attitudes.

Townsend seems like a well adjusted, normal guy.
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07-22-2008 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldALot.
It is obvious that Robl did not take "5ish minutes" on the KQ hand. This really was the only hand at the 150/300 level that was shown. My guess is 10 minutes on each turn and river. That's pretty ridiculous. Haven't watched too much PAD but can't remember a show where they were that far up in the blinds at the end of the first show.

And people talk about durrrr being awkward but Robl is a lot worse. They guy can't even talk properly, a few times I couldn't understand what he was saying because he doesn't open his mouth. And his face after being shown the 3 was hilarious indeed.

All in all, a pretty bizarre show. You got the internet players analysizing hands endlessly while Doyle throws in the name Johnny Moss from time to time.
Maybe they will all warm up to each other as the week progresses.
The hand wasn't even in the 150/300 level. It was at the end of the previous level, and 150/300 started at the end of that hand.
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07-22-2008 , 07:45 PM
At the beginning of the show they were talking about the structure being faster so they could get home earlier too.
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07-22-2008 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Really? I would have guessed the opposite.

Sure, the Vets probably have more actual years of playing tournament poker -- in fact, Johnny Chan's boxers are probably older than Durrr -- but I don't know if they necessarily have more experience in this format. In fact, I hypothesize that the online guys a) have played far more STTs, b) played more 6-max NLHE and c) have a much better grasp on shortstack and push/fold decisions in SNG play.

As always, I could be way off here. I'm curious to hear more opinions about this.
Will you people stop talking about SnGs already? PAD is not an SnG, the defining feature of an SnG is the 50-30-20 payout. PAD is just a 6-handed freezeout.
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07-22-2008 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by badatmath
At the beginning of the show they were talking about the structure being faster so they could get home earlier too.
Yeah, I thought I heard that as well, which explains why the levels moved up faster. I wonder how that will work out, in theory it should make for a better poker, since the last 1.5 days used to be uber-turbo to wrap things up, which made the first 3.5 days fairly inconsequential.
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07-22-2008 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeti
when robl talks, this is what i see

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07-22-2008 , 08:06 PM
^^^^
HHAAAHAHAHA AWESOME.
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07-22-2008 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The Harv
Townsend seems like a well adjusted, normal guy.
Watching him get interviewed by Leanne Tweeden versus Durrr was like watching a, well, watching a straight man versus a gay man.

Townsend would have dove in for a motorboat at a moments notice.

Durrr would have asked about her shoes.

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Originally Posted by brian4cards
when robl talks, this is what i see

"Now, good2cu, did you learn something in all this?
"I did, Durrr. I learned that you're a boner-biting, dick-fart, ****-face!"

Last edited by BULLLLDOZZZZZERRRR; 07-22-2008 at 08:19 PM.
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07-22-2008 , 08:18 PM
go Huck!
it's funny watching him stare down the online players whenever they put a chip in the pot

Hopefully somebody busts Chan soon, pretty classless act during the KQ-33 hand. He always comes across as an a-hole

Townsend looking like a TV vet
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07-22-2008 , 08:30 PM
This is Brian Townsend for CardRunners Dot Com.
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07-22-2008 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kashmoney
OF COURSE, DWAN IS CAPABLE OF BLUFFING THERE WITH 4-3 SUITED TYPE OF HAND
ALRIGHT I KNOW IM BEING LEVELED BY 4-3 WAS TWO PAIR, NOT A BLUFF
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07-22-2008 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Xander
xander please make one of durrr's face when g2cu shows the AA
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07-22-2008 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jwc529
Townsend looking like a TV vet
Yeah he's a class act and a good rep for online poker players in these settings.

The amount of hate for Robl is unreal lol, he does HSL and gets abused for his high hair line/spots/tight clothes/whatever, comes on PAD with a completely different hair style, clearer skin (makeup I'd presume) and a suit and he gets an equal amount of abuse.

In fairness to the three net players, they're all pretty good reps for online poker players offline, all three dress well and act well at the table and look like pretty normal/cool guys. I'm sure there's an awful lot of worse people that could be there instead.

Also big lol at those giving out about them talking about poker and prop bets at a poker table.
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07-22-2008 , 09:35 PM
there's a reason they didnt choose gobbo boy for this
or the deuces cracked team..
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07-22-2008 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dima2000123
Will you people stop talking about SnGs already? PAD is not an SnG, the defining feature of an SnG is the 50-30-20 payout. PAD is just a 6-handed freezeout.

If you are going to be so aggressive in arguing, at least be right. A sit and go is a tournament that doesn't have a specified starting time. It simply starts when the desired number of entrants sit and then the tournament goes.

For instance, the 6max sngs on stars do not pay 50/30/20, however they are sngs. Same with the 45 mans and whatever else they offer.
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07-22-2008 , 10:14 PM
Does Andrew really say "sale my car, sale my house"?

That's what it sounds like, but I'm not sure if I just am mishearing an accent.
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07-22-2008 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BULLLLDOZZZZZERRRR
Watching him get interviewed by Leanne Tweeden versus Durrr was like watching a, well, watching a straight man versus a gay man.


Durrr would have asked about her shoes.
YES!!!!!!!!
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07-22-2008 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dima2000123
Will you people stop talking about SnGs already? PAD is not an SnG, the defining feature of an SnG is the 50-30-20 payout. PAD is just a 6-handed freezeout.
Ah, fair enough... yeah, I probably should have referred to it as a single-table tourney rather than SNG. Habit, I guess. Of course, if we're gonna get technical, the real defining feature of a SNG is that they Sit... and Go. (And if Phil Hellmuth gets re-raised by his UB partner-in-crime Annie Duke, then it becomes a Stand 'n' Stop.)

Thanks, I'll be here all week.

I'm now watching the first episode, early in the second segment. The hell is with Andrew Robl's face? He looks like something out of a horror movie or one of those Japanese masks or something. This is now two straight instances in which Durrr ISN'T the creepiest looking guy at the table (c.f. Viffer in the Cash Game episode).

Oh, and who gets credit for using the term "Fem Dump" for describing the way Dwan moves his chips? I can't help but think of that phrase whenever he does it. Nice hand, sir.
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07-22-2008 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
If you are going to be so aggressive in arguing, at least be right. A sit and go is a tournament that doesn't have a specified starting time. It simply starts when the desired number of entrants sit and then the tournament goes.

For instance, the 6max sngs on stars do not pay 50/30/20, however they are sngs. Same with the 45 mans and whatever else they offer.
Yes, that's exactly what everyone here means when they talk about SnGs and SnG skills. You have my apologies for trying to address what people (erroneously) mean by using certain words rather than being pedantic about the definition of those words.
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07-22-2008 , 11:31 PM
I dont know what is more apparent in this thread, the general ignorance especially of the skills of those involved in the show, or the jealousy of the successful young pros born through insults which have no grounding in fact.

They are normal early 20s guys, they are talking about poker because they are poker players on a poker show playing poker. Also, id much prefer they talk about anything interesting because its way better than Hellmuth bitching about nothing or the table sat in silence.

Anyway, to answer the earlier question, despite playing the worst so far G2CU is by far and away the most experienced STT player, its what he specialised in before switching to cash games, though i doubt the others net players would struggle to adjust given their shorthand experience. I would guess the "vets" are probably the least experienced in the short handed short stack format but again i doubt at the level of skill they are at they should be able to adjust to the format and probably make very few mistakes.

Durrs line in that 33 hand was really sick, its easy to judge whilst knowing the cards but he played it in such an unorthodox way i suspect G2CU just leveled himself on the turn. Also, how sick is Aba for calling his hand spot on having only seen the flop action.

Also, this format sucks compared to last week. I remember why i dont watch PAD, though ill prolly catch this week just hoping to see durrrr value own Doyles soul
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07-22-2008 , 11:51 PM
As for the hand KQ vs. 33, listen to the guy commentating at the end, he comments that the UNEDITED version was one of the longest hands. I know PAD does minimal editing but they do do some, and it seems this was an example. Still I do agree, Chan had pretty much no class there. Either call clock or shut up.

Robl looks nervous as hell too.

And lol at the 1k pushups in 24 hours being tough. We had to do this during a 3 hour baseball practice in between rounds in the cages last year. And they're talking about it being tough to do in 24 hours? This is D3 college, so none of us are super strong either.
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07-23-2008 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
They are normal early 20s guys, they are talking about poker because they are poker players on a poker show playing poker. Also, id much prefer they talk about anything interesting because its way better than Hellmuth bitching about nothing or the table sat in silence.
We can debate over whether or not the poker they talk about is interesting. Not all of it is.

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Anyway, to answer the earlier question, despite playing the worst so far G2CU is by far and away the most experienced STT player, its what he specialised in before switching to cash games, though i doubt the others net players would struggle to adjust given their shorthand experience. I would guess the "vets" are probably the least experienced in the short handed short stack format but again i doubt at the level of skill they are at they should be able to adjust to the format and probably make very few mistakes.
If we were talking about who has the most experience in playing live winner-take-all STTs, my guess is that Huck Seed has the most experience because he seems the most likely to have spent some time playing things like one-table satellites into big events.

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Durrs line in that 33 hand was really sick, its easy to judge whilst knowing the cards but he played it in such an unorthodox way i suspect G2CU just leveled himself on the turn. Also, how sick is Aba for calling his hand spot on having only seen the flop action.
Calling out Robl's hand is not particularly difficult in that spot.
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07-23-2008 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by zachvac
And lol at the 1k pushups in 24 hours being tough. We had to do this during a 3 hour baseball practice in between rounds in the cages last year. And they're talking about it being tough to do in 24 hours? This is D3 college, so none of us are super strong either.
you guys could prob beat the world record!

gogogo youre my heroes!
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