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LV Locals ?:  Buddy got bounced from LV Casino based on false info.  His rights? LV Locals ?:  Buddy got bounced from LV Casino based on false info.  His rights?

07-28-2008 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dozer64
Your friend has to leave. That is all there is to that.

My observation is that most casino security workers are slightly smarter than a paramecium cell and they love to flex their very limited muscle. Most couldn't get a real police job, so here they are watching the buffet line. This is who your friend is reasoning with, so just leave and fuggetaboutit.

Is it me or does this story have love gone wrong connotations? Like Elton John's old boyfriend connotations.
You are SO FAR off base it is absolutely hysterical. Don't trust your poker reads for a while!!!
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07-28-2008 , 01:08 AM
You do not come to Las Vegas and speak to a man like Moe Green Like that.

Don't you know who I am? I'm Moe Green. I made my bones when you were going out with Cheerleaders.

Insert Danny Gans, Penn Jilette, Elton John whomever bottom line is your buddy is **** outta luck.
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07-28-2008 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by franknagaijr
This thread does not deliver. Salacious gossip please.
This full story is relatively small, but delicious. I cannot divulge the juicy bits at this time. And honestly, why should I? Look at all the "help" I've received in this thread. No deposit, no return. I got nothin'. YOU get nothin.
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07-28-2008 , 01:14 AM
This is so lame. Just name the performer and what your buddy said about them and what they said to each other and did that was so threatening to your wife. What are you afraid of? The truth is absolute defense against libel.
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07-28-2008 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by fishyak
This full story is relatively small, but delicious. I cannot divulge the juicy bits at this time. And honestly, why should I? Look at all the "help" I've received in this thread. No deposit, no return. I got nothin'. YOU get nothin.
On the contrary, you received some good information here. You came in babbling about the Freedom of Information Act, and now you understand a bit about private establishments and private property.
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07-28-2008 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
This is so lame. Just name the performer and what your buddy said about them and what they said to each other and did that was so threatening to your wife. What are you afraid of? The truth is absolute defense against libel.

Don't want the performer leaning on the casino NOT to provide info. Hence, no specifics so there is no chance of word getting back to the wrong people. And with so much BS from others in this thread and no real help from anyone, you go can hungry, too.
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07-28-2008 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by fishyak
Don't want the performer leaning on the casino NOT to provide info.
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Go back and read RR's post. It's #14 and the best advice you're gonna get.

Or go ahead and pay a lawyer a couple hundred dollars to write a letter. I'm sure whoever reads it at the casino could use the laugh. All his coworkers too.
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07-28-2008 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by fishyak
Don't want the performer leaning on the casino NOT to provide info. Hence, no specifics so there is no chance of word getting back to the wrong people. And with so much BS from others in this thread and no real help from anyone, you go can hungry, too.
This is a cop out.

unless your buddy is a member of a minority of some type, he can be banned without cause. If he is a member of a minority, he will have to prove his banning was based on his minority status.

If there is a report, it's a private document held by a private company that does not have to be shown to anyone.

If your buddy is so worried about this whole thing, have him hire an attorney, someone who actually knows the laws of the State of Nevada and pursue the matter that way.

Don't come here asking for help and rejecting the reasonable, common sense answers you have been given.

I spent six years plus in Retail Security, the videos, reports and ducuments we produced where not for release to the public without a court order. They were private business papers.
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07-28-2008 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by fishyak

I am seeking an appropriate, even backdoor way to get this information without have to resort to the typical "saber-rattling" involved around threats of legal action.
translation: I don't want to spend any money.
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07-28-2008 , 02:17 AM
How long ago did this occur?

If your friend didn't take any action to engage the performer after the show, and was calm and respectful when the incident took place, then I think he won't have any problems. Since the performer was axed after the incident, I doubt the casino is too thrilled with the performer's behavior in some respect, so tossing your friend was probably just a way of avoiding a scene.

Yes, the other posters are right that the casino can bounce anybody they want, but in this case I doubt they'll continue pursuing the matter.
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07-28-2008 , 02:40 AM
What are you trying to start, a Heckler's Rights group? Your buddy with the big yap got tossed. As the story went, you or your friends paid to bring the heckler? You all should be banned too. Isn't that gangbang mentality when you go to an event looking for trouble.
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07-28-2008 , 03:01 AM
Hey guys,

With every additional post by the OP, the douche factor rises exponentially.

1. My friend got tossed out
2. You guys are obviously wrong
3. "Wrongboy" lololol funny joke
4. Files. Give me files. Need files plskthx
5. I'm not telling details although they are juicy!
6. You are all wrong and I am right.

What next? The world waits.
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07-28-2008 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by fishyak
This full story is relatively small, but delicious. I cannot divulge the juicy bits at this time. And honestly, why should I? Look at all the "help" I've received in this thread. No deposit, no return. I got nothin'. YOU get nothin.
You're an idiot. You come here and give half a story then expect help? You're jerk'n us around just like your buddy is jerk'n someone else around. Including you.
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07-28-2008 , 03:21 AM
What exactly did you expect from this posting? You give a half story...and then come with some bull **** about your buddy badmouthing a performer on TV (but your buddy is not famous)...so wtf is he doing on tv?

Your friend is obviously a d-bag...and your telling us what you want everyone to believe. And then saying your not getting any help. wtf r u talking about.

Kinda wondering at what point this thread get's locked considering it has nothing to do with poker b&m?
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07-28-2008 , 03:54 AM
Maybe your friend should have been arrested for stalking. If he likes to voice his personal haterid for this performer and goes out of his way to go to an entertainment event on private property for reasons other than entertianment, then your friend is a stalker.

How's that for a read?
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07-28-2008 , 06:27 AM
OK, this is simple. All we need to do ask ourselves, "What well-known performer has been criticized on tv?" Nobody ever says anything bad about anyone on tv, so there can't be too many examples.

The one example that comes to mind so quickly is Joe Rogan criticizing Carlos Mencia for stealing jokes. But that can't be it, because Joe wouldn't reconsider that opinion no matter what he saw at the latest Mencia show; and even more telling, there's no way Joe Rogan would be buddies with a douche like OP.

Another clue lies in a follow-up post, where OP says that his buddy sometimes goes to Vegas "for a conference". Well, let's see, who has conferences, while at the same time, opinions of a performer that a tv show would care about? The first thing that comes to mind is "magicians".

You have to be a real dork to practice magic. Hour after hour, night after night, practice practice practice. They may look smooth when they wave that hanky with a flourish, but socially, they tend to be a little nerdy. OP's style of writing fits in with these traits.

I haven't been to Vegas in years. Who are the big magic acts there now? Lance Burton still around? Siegfried and Roy, dead or alive? Most importantly, which magician takes heat from other magicians? Who is the Mencia of Magic?

That's as far as I can take this inquiry, but I think I've got it heading down the right path.
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07-28-2008 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Another clue lies in a follow-up post, where OP says that his buddy sometimes goes to Vegas "for a conference". Well, let's see, who has conferences, while at the same time, opinions of a performer that a tv show would care about? The first thing that comes to mind is "magicians".

...

That's as far as I can take this inquiry, but I think I've got it heading down the right path.
Oh my God - You know James Randi personally? Cool. And I didn't even know that Uri Geller was doing shows in Vegas...
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07-28-2008 , 10:01 AM
I'll push it all in that Sylvia Browne is the "entertainer" and the other person is this guy, a well known Sylvia Browne critic.

And it would probably be about this incident, where this person attends a Sylvia Browne show and is read the trespass act.

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He reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a leather case, which he flipped open to reveal a badge and a card, from which he proceeded to read. At first, I thought he was going to read me some version of the Miranda rights, but instead, he was officially telling me that I was trespassing (per some statute), that I needed to leave the premises immediately, and that I was not to return. He closed his badge case and put it back in his pocket.
He was nice to the guards, and it is clear he was read the act for no other reason than Sylvia wanting him gone because, well, she's a fraud and he's someone who has been collecting information to show same...
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07-28-2008 , 10:11 AM
I'll add that I mentioned this to the person on a forum I'm not linking to in the following exchange...

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RS:

In case this hasn't been cleared up, it appears you were read the Trespass act. This doesn't mean you were trespassing at the time as much as it is official notice that you are to leave and are not welcome in the future. By law the casinos there are allowed to refuse entry to anyone for any reason save race/gender and so on.

It isn't an allegation of wrongdoing as much as, unless you were about to go drop 10K at the craps table, all in all they are better off with you not around to upset the "talent" for whatever reason. She could claim you bug her because you were Ben Frankin in a previous life and the same thing would happen.

This is what usually happens to suspected card-counters in blackjack. Counting is perfectly legal, but the casinos tend to not like it, so they bar you... that is where my experience with it comes in...
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Ah, thanks for clearing that up!
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07-28-2008 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by fishyak
Look at all the "help" I've received in this thread. No deposit, no return. I got nothin'. YOU get nothin.
I think it's pretty customary that the guy asking for help makes the deposit before asking for a return instead of the other way around.

I don't really see a great future for a "Pay me and I may let you help me" approach.
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07-28-2008 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Elbow Jobertski
I'll push it all in that Sylvia Browne is the "entertainer" and the other person is this guy, a well known Sylvia Browne critic.
Good find - and in that case I agree with OPs friend, but I'm still not terribly impressed with OP.
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07-28-2008 , 10:36 AM
Consider this exact scenario at any other place of business.

You are a radio DJ that hates this one particular local pop star.
You publicly speak out against the artist, costing the star some money/fans/whatever.
That pop star gets a gig at a bar on a busy friday.
You show up on that friday, and talk to the singer, who tells you he isn't interested. He is now upset.
You are now a distraction to the singer, and a general killjoy.
The bar owner comes up to you and kindly asks you to leave and never come back.

This isn't that unreasonable.
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07-28-2008 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by supafrey
Consider this exact scenario at any other place of business.

You are a radio DJ that hates this one particular local pop star.
You publicly speak out against the artist, costing the star some money/fans/whatever.
That pop star gets a gig at a bar on a busy friday.
You show up on that friday, and talk to the singer, who tells you he isn't interested. He is now upset.
You are now a distraction to the singer, and a general killjoy.
The bar owner comes up to you and kindly asks you to leave and never come back.

This isn't that unreasonable.

I agree. It is nothing more than that. I totally agree with RS's general opinion of Sylvia, that she is a scumbag, and also have no problem with what RS did as he was quite civil about the whole thing and had been often criticized by pro-Sylvia people for never attending one of her shows.

I think the OP wants some evidence that Sylvia asked that RS be removed rather than the management acting on its own. His worries about Sylvia having clout to stop any disclosure seem ill founded as her shows were canceled shortly after this happened and she no longer appears there.

I would suggest as the first step RS, if he cares about this, contacting the casino to ask if he is barred from entry. I give odds that they have nothing that says he is... He just got tossed by a security guard and given the standard scare warning. Move along, nothing to see here.
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07-28-2008 , 11:36 AM
I just read the "stop Sylvia Brown" website....wtf? Why is this guy devoting his life to stopping a physcic?
Is he a nut?
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07-28-2008 , 12:25 PM
Here is the 72 year old performer


Here is the 79 year old critic.


Hope nobody broke a hip in this altercation. lol.

I guess the critic needs something to do now that he is no longer Surgeon General.
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