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03-13-2018 , 11:02 AM
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Pick one , 2 is a winner. Your target size is bigger in the middle. Pick anywhere in the middle and you win.
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03-13-2018 , 11:03 AM
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03-13-2018 , 11:05 AM
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Why are people so ignorant to something that is beyond their understanding?

I had to learn stuff so how come none of you can learn stuff?
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03-13-2018 , 11:07 AM
I am trying to teach you something, spending my precious time trying to teach you all something new. New means it is not written down anywhere, it is new.


To conclude the new is wrong without even understanding the new is subjective and not objective.

Why not allow yourselves to learn?
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03-13-2018 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
The point being: it's impossible to calculate probability if you're not sure you're playing with a full deck.
At least one poster in this thread isn't playing with a full deck. But I bet you can calculate the probability of him being right.
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03-13-2018 , 11:15 AM
I have understood everything you’ve said and have rejected it as meaningless, like the past results on a roulette wheel.

Good luck.
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03-13-2018 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
To conclude the new is wrong without even understanding the new is subjective and not objective.
No one is misunderstanding you, you're just wrong.
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03-13-2018 , 11:16 AM
I have 3 doors, behind one of the doors is a prize, behind two of the doors is nothing.


The contestants play the game for several weeks and the results are recorded but disclosed.

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Now this week is bonus week , they are going to use 10 doors and use the previous ten results to determine what is behind the ten doors.


Picking one door , What is your chance of a prize?
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03-13-2018 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by otatop
No one is misunderstanding you, you're just wrong.


I know I am being misunderstood because otherwise you would agree I was right. Please play the game show question.
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03-13-2018 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
I have understood everything you’ve said and have rejected it as meaningless, like the past results on a roulette wheel.

Good luck.

Have you ever considered objectively that maybe you do not understand me ?

You may think you do, but that does not mean you do.


State back in your own words what I am saying if you understand me?
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03-13-2018 , 11:22 AM
State back in your own words what I am saying if you understand me?

applies to everyone who thinks they understand me.

added- This implies ignorance on your part and not ignorance of myself. I know and understand your version.

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03-13-2018 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
Picking one door , What is your chance of a prize?
It’s 1 out of 3.

You set up a situation where the odds of any individual box being a prize is 1 in 3. So whatever box you pick, the chance will be 1 in 3.

But no, you will claim yet again: it’s ?/10 because we don’t know how many prizes are in the set after the first round. Which is true, but also meaningless. The answer to your question is 1/3 based on the full conditions you set.

Your point is that once a deck, or a thousand decks is shuffled it is no longer random. You’ve given about 50 examples all boiling down to that idea. Yes, I know, not quite. Because your definition of understanding is agreeing that probability doesn’t exist, because eventually the roulette ball ends up in a slot.

You can ask somebody to run your game show test a million times and look for little clusters or whatever, so good luck with that. And now I’m sad.
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03-13-2018 , 11:30 AM
Try again ,

Each of the ten doors has a 1/3 chance of having a prize behind the door, But how many prizes are behind the ten doors?
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03-13-2018 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
It’s 1 out of 3.

You set up a situation where the odds of any individual box being a prize is 1 in 3. So whatever box you pick, the chance will be 1 in 3.

But no, you will claim yet again: it’s ?/10 because we don’t know how many prizes are in the set after the first round. Which is true, but also meaningless. The answer to your question is 1/3 based on the full conditions you set.

You can somebody to run your game show test a million times and look for little clusters or whatever, so good luck with that.
Each of the ten doors has a 1/3 chance of having a prize behind the door, But how many prizes are behind the ten doors?

There is no option to pick from 3 doors , you have ten doors in front of you. Your choice is out of ten doors, you can't change the rules to suit in this game show.


I am not offering a choice of 1 prize behind 3 doors am I?
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03-13-2018 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk

Your point is that once a deck, or a thousand decks is shuffled it is no longer random.
Wrong that is not the point, nothing to do with the randomness. Once you understand you will agree with me, and by me i mean the objectiveness.
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03-13-2018 , 11:42 AM
Person A is given a choice of three boxes. One of the boxes has a prize. He picks two of the boxes.

Person A then hands those two boxes to Person B and asks him to pick a box.

Your belief is that the chances of person A picking a box with a prize are 2 in 3, but the chances of Person B receiving a prize are unknowable.

Since you don’t see why that’s a problem, there’s an impasse.
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03-13-2018 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
The total number of cards doesn't have to match the denominator in the probability fraction. You can make the denominator any number as long as you adjust the numerator accordingly. People tend to set the numerator at 1 and then adjust the denominator accordingly to make it easier to visualize.

But if you want the denominator to match the total number of cards, then in that situation it is (rounded): 0.192/10 or written as a percentage, roughly a 1.92% chance.


Consider weather forecasts:

It can either rain or not rain. That is 2 items or events. Say there is a 20% chance of rain. If that were to be written as a fraction it could be written 1/5. There are only 2 items or events, but the denominator is not a 2. It doesn't need to be. If you wanted the denominator to be a 2, then you could write it that way and it would be 0.4/2. 0.4/2 is still 20%; the same as 1/5. We could also write it 12/60 if we felt like it for some reason or 117/585 or 0.05/0.25.

I think in the world you would more often see 1/5 written than 0.4/2 (or any of the other examples above) to notate a 20% chance. I think most people find it easier to visualize and immediately have a good understanding of a 1/5 chance than a 0.4/2 chance, so they use the 1/5.
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03-13-2018 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
Person A is given a choice of three boxes. One of the boxes has a prize. He picks two of the boxes.

Person A then hands those two boxes to Person B and asks him to pick a box.

Your belief is that the chances of person A picking a box with a prize are 2 in 3, but the chances of Person B receiving a prize are unknowable.

Since you don’t see why that’s a problem, there’s an impasse.
no again, you don't understand honestly that is not what I am saying.


Person A is given a choice of three boxes. One of the boxes has a prize. He picks one of the boxes. 1/3 chance of a prize

I agree no problem.


The results of this are undisclosed so you do not know if he got a prize or not

this is done several times and the results make a new game B.


Ok with that so far?

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03-13-2018 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
The results of this are disclosed
I might be wrong here, but I don't think you know what disclosed means.
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03-13-2018 , 11:49 AM
Person B is given a choice of 10 doors, person B does not know how many prizes are behind the doors.

Do you agree?
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03-13-2018 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
I might be wrong here, but I don't think you know what disclosed means.
It means you cant see them . Undisclosed is when you can see them . Unless I have that backwards.


added- I have been using that backwards sorry, just googled it .

Thanks you taught me something.
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03-13-2018 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
There is a 1/2 chance of each value being a head, I can't know the total odds because I don't know what the unknown values are, so it must be ?/10, once I draw one, the odds that it's a head is 1/2.

I edited your sentence so you could read it back easier.
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So, you want to say that the chance that I draw a coin that is a heads is indeterminable and the chance that the coin that I draw is a heads is 50%? That doesn’t just sound obviously stupid to you?
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There was no response to this.

So, stating this again, you want to say that (i) each of the 10 coins has a 50% chance of being a heads, (ii) the chance to draw from the 10 coins a coin that is a heads is indeterminable and (iii) the chance of a coin that is drawn from the 10 coins being heads is 50%?

That doesn’t just sound obviously stupid?
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03-13-2018 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk


The results of this are disclosed so you do not know if he got a prize or not

FYI - “Disclosed” means the opposite of what you think it means. If something is disclosed, then that means it was told to people.
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03-13-2018 , 11:59 AM
Here's what I believe that you believe.

Even if you know the probability of a random choice from set A, when you do this X number of times to create set B, you don't know the exact composition of set B, so you can't determine the probability of randomly choosing something from set B.
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03-13-2018 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
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For some reason it wont let me quote your full post,


So, stating this again, you want to say that (i) each of the 10 coins has a 50% chance of being a heads, (ii) the chance to draw from the 10 coins a coin that is a heads is indeterminable and (iii) the chance of a coin that is drawn from the 10 coins being heads is 50%?



It may sound obviously stupid at first but you understand what I said and have given the correct answer.
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