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03-11-2018 , 12:44 PM
We should also check for any correlation between the number of helicopters flying over and the amounts of Td I get in the CO after drinking Pepsi.

Else we can't say it's not broken.
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03-11-2018 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
Your subjective opinion is rather irrelevant.
My assessments of you and predictions of your behavior have been quite accurate, though I am the first to say that gifted insight is not a requirement for that. I never assumed they would be relevant to you, since you cannot change.


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Originally Posted by pkdk
People already have turned hostile, I had hardly begun to look at the possible problems.
I know to leave , I am not staying and discussing with hostile people who think they are brain doctors or something similar.
That is delusional behaviour in a discussion. I stay on topic .
If you think it is not broken without looking at all the possibilities then that is not being objective sir.
Push for a ban, that is the norm when people stop being people.
Meh, the only one that seems to be pushing for you to be banned is you, I assume because that would give you better closure in your mind than people mocking you with helicopter and Dr Pepper comparisons (hint, don't try to drink one in the other). Treating you as a joke (or ignoring you) is where you always end up. Here you are.

I will give you credit where it is due - and that is that these threads usually last 1-2 days before the OP vanishes or the OP turns hostile and gets banned or the OP goes weird troll etc. You had it going for nearly 2 weeks, and nearly 2,000/? posts, and also got a ton of futile work done for you (since you were never going to be satisfied). You are pretty much a standout for that (last time I remember work like this being done was many years ago when spadebidder did some for a horrid, toxic riggie who took all the work, mocked it, disregarded nearly all the data, and cherry picked the one mild outlier result he wanted to show how he was being screwed). In the end, while your reality is this obsession, one you can talk about for years to come happily, that is nobody else's reality, and other people will just get bored of it and you after a short while.

If you want to get banned to go out in some glory in your mind then go to the thread where people ask for self bans, or ask a mod here to ban you. I don't think you should be banned for your posts to date, so you will have to get that done on your own. I will not care if you are banned or not.

You were a genuine source of short term amusement for me, but all things come to an end, and there is not much more fun that can be squeezed out of interacting with you. You were fun, now you are boring. That's how these threads always turn out. If others play along with you for a while, hopefully they do so for their own amusement and not to actually try to make you understand anything.

You should get some professional help for your mental situation, but I will not pretend to care whether you choose to do so or not. In the end that, along with whether to continue your obsession, is your choice to make, and you are the only one that experiences the long term effect of that. The rest of us get off easy after having fun for a week or two at your expense. I don't have much else for you, so odds are reasonable (at least ?/?) that this will be my last post to you.

All the best.
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03-11-2018 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
People already have turned hostile, I had hardly begun to look at the possible problems.
I know to leave , I am not staying and discussing with hostile people who think they are brain doctors or something similar.
That is delusional behaviour in a discussion. I stay on topic .
If you think it is not broken without looking at all the possibilities then that is not being objective sir.
Push for a ban, that is the norm when people stop being people.
You actually got a very fair amount of indulgence for your unfounded theory. When you propose a hypothesis with no basis in reality whatsoever, based solely on your subjective and flawed observations, you should not expect the amount of patience already given you. But it was an interesting math exercise to pass the time for people on here who like to solve that kind of problem, even though everyone but you already knew that how you choose or preshuffle random decks doesn't change anything. Random is random. Doing it twice doesn't make it more or less random. Literally everyone on this forum knew that but you.

It's also quite irritating when you say things like 1/2 does not equal 2/4, since numbers are abstractions wholly unconnected to the physical objects you may be counting. Numbers are just numbers, and ratios can be expressed in an infinite number of exactly equal ways.
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03-11-2018 , 02:26 PM
What is interesting is that a few of you have agreed with me earlier in the thread, in that x was not equal to y. This was the fundamental question of my notion.
Answering in agreement to that was agreeing something is broke, what that something is, is still unclear.
For all we know, the people being ''hostile'' could be doing their paid job for poker companies. Why do they feel it so important to defend the ''machine'' ?

One test and the thread collapses when there is several more tests . Are you people or the ''machine''?
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03-11-2018 , 02:34 PM
We're all reptilian overlords that protect online poker from the truth to milk as much money as possible. We also guard the south pole to prevent people from finding out the earth is actually flat and that the oceans are fake.
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03-11-2018 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
What is interesting is that a few of you have agreed with me earlier in the thread, in that x was not equal to y.
No one agreed with you in a way that supports your proposition.

Serious question: Are you declaring war on math - specifically statistics and probability - the way it is currently understood?
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03-11-2018 , 03:04 PM
Cool, we've reached the conspiracy/paid-actor portion of the thread.

If I was reading correctly, the times when people 'agreed' with you were when you were actually unsure what you were truly asking.

I haven't seen anybody agree with your basic tenet that independently shuffled decks of cards become connected and dependent if done in groups and placed in a queue. Without that belief, I don't see what any tests would show other than continued pattern-searching.

That being said, I have learned a bit about statistics from this thread.
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03-11-2018 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace

Serious question: Are you declaring war on math - specifically statistics and probability - the way it is currently understood?
In a way yes.
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03-11-2018 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
Cool, we've reached the conspiracy/paid-actor portion of the thread.

If I was reading correctly, the times when people 'agreed' with you were when you were actually unsure what you were truly asking.

I haven't seen anybody agree with your basic tenet that independently shuffled decks of cards become connected and dependent if done in groups and placed in a queue. Without that belief, I don't see what any tests would show other than continued pattern-searching.

That being said, I have learned a bit about statistics from this thread.

x=1,2 (set)

y (results of 3 times random shuffled x picking first value each time)
a
a
a


a=1/2 how many 1's are in y?

f:a{x}=1/2

f:a{y}=?/3

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03-11-2018 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
In a way yes.
OK then. Good luck with that!
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03-11-2018 , 03:35 PM
I imagine people like OP are actually locked up somewhere in a place where they can't harm themselves. I also think OP spends the majority of his waking hours walking up against a cushioned wall.
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03-11-2018 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
x=1,2 (set)

y (results of 3 times random shuffled x picking first value each time)
a
a
a


a=1/2 how many 1's are in y?

f:a{x}=1/2

f:a{y}=?/3
Seriously, don't do this again. We've been down this road, and seemingly got to the end. I'm pretty sure nobody here is going to want to revisit the same tired nonsense.
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03-11-2018 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
Seriously, don't do this again. We've been down this road, and seemingly got to the end. I'm pretty sure nobody here is going to want to revisit the same tired nonsense.
My premise was agreed with by several people, if the premise is correct then so is the rest, I only have to find the right test.

I noticed you avoided trying to give an answer.
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03-11-2018 , 04:05 PM
VLADIMIR:
Well? Shall we go?

ESTRAGON:
Yes, let's go.

They do not move.
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03-11-2018 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
VLADIMIR:
Well? Shall we go?

ESTRAGON:
Yes, let's go.

They do not move.
There is a conflict of logic.
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03-11-2018 , 04:35 PM
This OP is the worst in history. And I include all of BBV.
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03-11-2018 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
This OP is the worst in history. And I include all of BBV.
Nice
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03-11-2018 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
This OP is the worst in history of 2+2 threads. And I include all of BBV.
FYP

...and, certainly a contender. Especially since we are back to square one it seems with the same X and Y "logic".
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03-11-2018 , 04:57 PM
No no no of all the internet, in history. And also any hand written rant ever.

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03-11-2018 , 05:01 PM
Any thread with this tale by whosnext is a worthwhile thread, even with the as expected clunker ending

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=455
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03-11-2018 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
My premise was agreed with by several people, if the premise is correct then so is the rest, I only have to find the right test.

I noticed you avoided trying to give an answer.
Nope. No one agreed with you. Not one single person. Unless you actually thought whosnext was being serious.

Of course, that's just when you ask the question related to your special pkdk probability math. When you ask the question incorrectly, like you just did, you will get universal agreement. When you ask us to tell you how many A are in a random sample, we can't give you an exact number, of course. But when you ask the question that properly reflects your special math - what is the probability of selecting an A from column Y - you'll get the same disagreement once again. Everyone knows the answer is 1/2, but you will insist it is ?/3.

You've proven once again that my earlier assessment was correct (and others have said similar things):

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OP only has one purpose - to convince everyone of what he "knows" is true. There will be no convincing him otherwise. If you don't agree with him, it's because you don't understand the problem. He can't get it through his head that everyone understands what he sees as the problem, but they're not agreeing because he's so obviously wrong. The fact that every single person says he's wrong (he'll argue that point, as he still thinks the one or two people who were trolling him actually agreed) doesn't cause him to question his own beliefs...
I have to admit, I was quite surprised you admitted you were wrong. But that surprise quickly turned to a realization that nothing had really changed. As I read through the posts, I was preparing to post asking if you were ready to go back and see where you went wrong in your math since your premise had been proven wrong, but no, of course not. No, even though everyone has told you that your math is wrong, and now the premise you came up with based on that math has been proven wrong, of course the math can't be wrong - you just didn't put forward the right premise based on your amazing math that you believe no one else can understand.

You are a lost cause. Completely, utterly, hopelessly lost.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Any thread with this tale by whosnext is a worthwhile thread, even with the as expected clunker ending

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=455
Yes, that was an awesome post.
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03-11-2018 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Of course, that's just when you ask the question related to your special pkdk probability math. When you ask the question incorrectly, like you just did, you will get universal agreement. When you ask us to tell you how many A are in a random sample, we can't give you an exact number, of course. But when you ask the question that properly reflects your special math - what is the probability of selecting an A from column Y - you'll get the same disagreement once again. Everyone knows the answer is 1/2, but you will insist it is ?/3.
With all due respect you agree with me again then contradict your agreement.
You give the 1/2 answer to x. You are not answering the y question .

?
?
?

how many 1s in y? you dont know, what is the chance of a 1 from y, you don't know.



logical statements :

how many 1s in x ? the answer 1

What is the chance of a 1 from x? the answer 1/2


How many 1s in y? you dont know

What is the chance of 1 from y? you dont know

Note: I have not asked you what is the chance of the one you pick being a 1? which is 1/2

Last edited by pkdk; 03-11-2018 at 08:01 PM.
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03-11-2018 , 09:07 PM
What is the chance that this is Groundhog Day?
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03-11-2018 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
With all due respect you agree with me again then contradict your agreement.
You give the 1/2 answer to x. You are not answering the y question .

?
?
?

how many 1s in y? you dont know, what is the chance of a 1 from y, you don't know.



logical statements :

how many 1s in x ? the answer 1

What is the chance of a 1 from x? the answer 1/2


How many 1s in y? you dont know

What is the chance of 1 from y? you dont know

Note: I have not asked you what is the chance of the one you pick being a 1? which is 1/2
OK, now I'm just wondering what is wrong with you. Seriously. We've had this discussion 843 times already. I don't know how many 1s are in Y, but I know the odds of pulling a 1 from y is 1/2. You think it's ?/3. We know. We all get it, we understand, but we also know you're wrong. Not doing this any more with you, as it's pointless.

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Originally Posted by VBAces
What is the chance that this is Groundhog Day?
I'd say at least 1/2, but OP would argue that it's ?/3.
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03-12-2018 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
I call shenanigans! Everyone knows people either drink Pepsi or Coke. Nobody drinks both!
This is true but only because no one drinks Pepsi
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