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03-12-2018 , 11:37 PM
Congrats to us all for reaching this important milestone. Posting in this thread is surely the pinnacle of everyone's 2+2 career. Prizes will be mailed out shortly.

Speaking of which, does anyone remember the game show Truth or Consequences? One of the segments involved a contestant placing a phone call to a random person somewhere in the United States. The contestant could not mention the game show or the contest, of course, or bribe the other person in any way.

The contestant had to keep the conversation going for 5 minutes to win a prize. If the person on the other end hung up on them before 5 minutes had elapsed, the contestant got nothing.

It was actually often quite hilarious watching the contestant try to come up with ideas, questions, and topics of conversation to keep the other person from hanging up on them.

When the elapsed time neared the 5 minute mark, they superimposed a timer on the screen that the contestant could also see. It was very suspenseful and many contestants broke out in a cold sweat over it. Many a time did the other person hang up on the contestant just before the 5 minute mark!

I am sure that by modern standards it was very quaint and tame. But for its time, boy was it great entertainment.

Anyway, judging by his performance in this thread I am quite sure that OP would have won the grand prize on that game show.

Spoiler:
If anybody knows that those phone calls were all fake and/or the people on the other end of the conversation were in on the gag, keep it to yourself. I used to love that show when I was a kid.
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03-12-2018 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
The computer has memory, it knows to evenly distribute over time to its programming, .
OMG
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03-13-2018 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 24our
Don't want this to be taken the wrong way but I could put money on op being a "high functioning" autist at this point.
Nah, they tend to be right a lot of the time. Also he would have told us to go **** ourselves by now at this point.
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03-13-2018 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Dear Lord I am getting riled up over this.
Maybe another mod will let you move the thread to another forum?
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03-13-2018 , 06:55 AM
Mr Haven is an evil, evil mod. In theory the Science, Math and Philosophy forum would work, but then so would the Health and Fitness Forum or perhaps the best fit is the Religion forum.

The OP's emo turn was a nice addition as we approached 1,000 posts, but no doubt he has done that many, many times over the year as well. This thread is but a short portion of the Groundhog Day/Edge of Tomorrow existence that is his life. The rest of us are just short term supporting characters in that narrative. Still, it was everyone else that made this impressive 1,000 post goal possible, the OP is simply existing as he always has and always will.
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03-13-2018 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
Sorry I do not think I understood your original question. A computer is different to rolling a dice. The computer is programmed to output the probabilities with standard deviation.
This is false.

A computer's random number generator is not programmed to output probabilities with standard deviation. A computer's random number generator is programmed to generate random numbers.

Standard deviation simply occurs as a result of the output - just like it does with any other random event.
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03-13-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
The computer is not necessarily programmed to output probabilities with any particular standard deviation. You could program a computer to generate a normalized value based on a particular mean and standard deviation, but it basically is programmed to do whatever a person programs it to do. So in this case, it would be programmed to generate a value from 1 to 52 in a uniform distribution, meaning each number has an equal chance of being selected.

Would that be different from rolling the dice?
I think this is poorly phrased.

I would say that you would program it to generate a value from 1 to 52 with an equal chance of each occurring, which will result in a fairly uniform distribution with standard deviation.

If you actually programmed a number generator to come up with a uniform distribution, you would only have a semi-random generator - it would have to be much more complicated, it would have to track its outputs and adjust it's future results to balance the outputs. True variance would be eliminated.
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03-13-2018 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
The computer has memory, it knows to evenly distribute over time to its programming, a deck of cards has no memory, it does what it wants over time .
Again, false. Programming this would be:
1) Much harder than programming just a pure random number generator (which is already tricky); and
2) Not truly random
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03-13-2018 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
I think this is poorly phrased.

I would say that you would program it to generate a value from 1 to 52 with an equal chance of each occurring, which will result in a fairly uniform distribution with standard deviation.

If you actually programmed a number generator to come up with a uniform distribution, you would only have a semi-random generator - it would have to be much more complicated, it would have to track its outputs and adjust it's future results to balance the outputs. True variance would be eliminated.
Add to that, it absolutely would not be random either. You can't simulate random with deterministic logic, period. Not possible (or at least we do not know how anyway).

And yes, standard deviation is an emergent property of a random distribution, not something you program.
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03-13-2018 , 08:43 AM
Perhaps he has a new insight to programming that has never been considered before. Hopefully he will expand on that in the next act.
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03-13-2018 , 09:08 AM
It's basically the same discussion as with trying to use physics to create math. It's attempting to make raw flour out of a finished cake.
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03-13-2018 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Nah, they tend to be right a lot of the time. Also he would have told us to go **** ourselves by now at this point.
I would of told anyone who says I am wrong to go xxxx yourself a long time ago, I am sick of telling people go xxxx themselves on the internet.
Especially those who come into a thread like a bunch of children playing.



So as I am exiting this thread now as well as exiting a few other forums I am on, I would just like to say ,


Your mostly ******ed, stupid, clueless apes, so go fk yourselves calling me **** and saying I am crazy whatever, you are ignorant *******s so fk the lot of ye apart from a couple of you who are pretty cool,.

Grow up children
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03-13-2018 , 09:19 AM
Someone is upset that he was not able to get banned/locked to get the martyr style closure he needed. Boo Hoo, whatever. We already made 1,000 posts, so the OP was no longer needed for that goal, and odds he starts the same type of thread on other forums within a week is 100%. Hell, its better than 50/50 he will post here again even after that hissy fit exit post.

I feel mildly bad for those who were genuinely trying to help this guy, kind of reminded me of the people who were going out of their way to help the dude in NVG who conned people for money at airports for a decade. Good intentions, but wasted time and effort (in terms of helping the OP), although at least in this thread an interesting discussion of statistics was had, and we did get to 1,000+ posts!
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03-13-2018 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Someone is upset that he was not able to get banned/locked to get the martyr style closure he needed. Boo Hoo, whatever. We already made 1,000 posts, so the OP was no longer needed for that goal, and odds he starts the same type of thread on other forums within a week is 100%. Hell, its better than 50/50 he will post here again even after that hissy fit exit post.

I feel mildly bad for those who were genuinely trying to help this guy, kind of reminded me of the people who were going out of their way to help the dude in NVG who conned people for money at airports for a decade. Good intentions, but wasted time and effort (in terms of helping the OP), although at least in this thread an interesting discussion of statistics was had, and we did get to 1,000+ posts!
I feel sorry for most of the peoples on here children, I am not sure it would be right to bring up so stupid children, the offspring of the stupid people.

I am smarter than all you dumb asses, you are all relatively thick as chit.
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03-13-2018 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
So as I am exiting this thread now as well as exiting a few other forums I am on, I would just like to say ,
So you're existing before reading the numerous posts explaining where you are dead wrong about how computer randomness works.

That's convenient for you.
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03-13-2018 , 09:31 AM
And no, pk, you are not smarter. You completely fail to grasp basic building block foundations of how math and physics do and do not work.

You are being deliberately obtuse at this point with your belligerent refusal to accept the possibility that you are wrong in your misguided notions to create raw ingredients from finished products.
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03-13-2018 , 09:32 AM
He prefers to get banned, because that way he leaves more like a hero than a blubbering toddler. Once that route was pretty much closed off - this was his natural plan B, one he probably has done many times before on different forums.

At least you stopped doing tests for him .
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03-13-2018 , 09:33 AM
I wonder what the new username will be.
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03-13-2018 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
So you're existing before reading the numerous posts explaining where you are dead wrong about how computer randomness works.

That's convenient for you.

I did read your posts, thanks you are a normal person.
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03-13-2018 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
I wonder what the new username will be.
There will not be another time, I can't make the horse drink the water.
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03-13-2018 , 09:48 AM
For anyone normal as a final reminder into their stupidity,

They are saying if we had 10 boxes they have a 1/2 chance, duwah, there is 10 boxes not two boxes, duwahhhhhhhh.

So thick.
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03-13-2018 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pkdk
For anyone normal as a final reminder into their stupidity,

They are saying if we had 10 boxes they have a 1/2 chance, duwah, there is 10 boxes not two boxes, duwahhhhhhhh.

So thick.
5 in 10 is the same as 1 in 2.

You are not demonstrating intellectual superiority here. Quite the opposite.

Look - if you're going to flounce, then just flounce. Sticking around to see who reacts is pathetic.
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03-13-2018 , 10:03 AM
OP, you hugged what you perceived to your buddy (yikes, he is still trying to help explain things - Greebo - step away from the wacko), and you did your whiny exit speeches after not being able to be banned. Time for you to move onto your next group of people to repeat the cycle all over again (you will not get nearly as far with a new user name here, ask the Nash guy about that pattern).

I say this, because it is true, but I also hope a little it will spark in you the desire to have another part of your play here ( I suggested tacking programming for instance). Either will amuse me, so pick whichever works best for you.
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03-13-2018 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
5 in 10 is the same as 1 in 2.

You are not demonstrating intellectual superiority here. Quite the opposite.

Look - if you're going to flounce, then just flounce. Sticking around to see who reacts is pathetic.
You keep making the same mistake, 10 is not the same physical quantity as 2.

1/10 is not 1/2


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??????????

As you can observe in the above
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03-13-2018 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
OP, you hugged what you perceived to your buddy (yikes, he is still trying to help explain things - Greebo - step away from the wacko), and you did your whiny exit speeches after not being able to be banned. Time for you to move onto your next group of people to repeat the cycle all over again (you will not get nearly as far with a new user name here, ask the Nash guy about that pattern).

I say this, because it is true, but I also hope a little it will spark in you the desire to have another part of your play here ( I suggested tacking programming for instance). Either will amuse me, so pick whichever works best for you.
Evil is not being disruptive, he is not claiming I am insane, he is hearing me out and trying to understand what I understand.
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