Broader in terms of other sites, other states with pending legislation (PA specifically), etc.

Did you watch the 4.5 hr hearing in the CA state assembly on Wednesday? I did.. Eric Hollreiser from PS was on a panel and testified. There was a lot of talk about security and if it's even enforceable and this sure won't help and if I had $ to prop bet that this specific issue will be yet another hurdle(not sure how big) I'd start booking bets now. Lock poker has been mentioned repeatedly. I'd be interested to hear the PPA's stance on this recent industry news.

CA has about the same population of Canada and some of the smaller euro regulated countries. It is the flagship state, CA gets regulated so does the rest of the country soon after most likely.

Does anyone have a place where new podcasts are uploaded for Android? I still can't figure out why episodes aren't updated as they are recorded to my podcast app. Having done it before myself it isn't some giant undertaking and would likely increase his listening base quite a bit.

i did not watch the hearing. of course security is going to be a big issue that is discussed heavily, and since i am good friends with the senior game integrity specialist at stars (who would close my account in a second if i was ever caught MA'ing or VPN'ing, btw), i can assure you that stars has a wide variety of very sophisticated technology to detect impropriety of all kinds in the games.

the idea that stars is soft on cheaters or inept at discovering them is a complete falsehood borne out of the fact that all investigations are confidential and 100% proof beyond any reasonable doubt is necessary to take punitive action in these situations.

this really makes no sense, but w/e

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As long as there is not an active powerful lobby, meaning big corporate or private money behind a push to leap beyond the political blockade that casino owners and shareholders are holding firm, there will be more and more chanceless bills like the new one from this week coming into legislational progresses to regulate and legalize federal online poker and will be failing. This is how the system works, if powerful entities fear for their equity and financial profits they will do everything to squash any effort that promotes change to their perceived disadvantage.

^^this is true. the sheldon adelsons of the world are infinitely more of a liability to online poker than the brian hastings of the world. if you believe differently, you are naive and/or completely misguided

I agree with you there, stopping VPN's isn't the problem IMO I believe with geolocation via cell triangulation combined with other methods it can be done and the lawmakers can be convinced of that. The problem is BH displayed the level HS players can and will go to to get more ev, and Ill leave it at that I don't wanna give any ammo to our adversaries.

sure, but he and BH are on the same side IMO, the side of self serving interests and not the best for the masses and society in general. SA is pretty straight forward at least.

you're painting HS poker players like they're some special breed of scumbag totally indistinguishable from people who lie/cheat/steal/bribe/manipulate/etc to get ahead in other industries or professions.

it's not a unique thing, and not all HS players are morally compromised

it's kind of offensive the way you and other people say these sorts of things

Yeah **** ethics, everyone is shady.

if that's your takeaway from my last post, then i feel sorry for your lack of critical thinking abilities. life must be tough for you

About 30 mins into Stinger MA podcast.

Many of joeys answers are cut short because you don't want to throw anyone else under the bus. Has been a trend for many of the people at higher stakes who know something. Just need one person to slip up and I think that the rest will fall like dominos, a mass calling out of MA

was that for me? I didn't say anything about HS players other than the one being discussed iirc, if I did I didn't mean to lump the HS comm in my bad. I'm very aware it's not a unique thing, not sure how you got that. And for the record IMO small stakes players and people in basically every area of life can be shady. I'm not sure what I said that was offensive but i apologize for whatever it was.

good job man. no.

it was your generalized comment about the extent to which HS players will go to gain equity advantages. it was unfair and maybe not necessarily presented in a way to imply that HS players are unique in that regard, but that's the general theme among the bitter, resentful posters on this forum who seem to hate anything and anybody in poker, so that's kinda how i took it. my apologies if you didn't mean it that way.

@+1rep - I could have communicated better, i tried to keep it short being that im long winded as it is. What i meant was that arguments can and have been made that it makes sense for WINNING "HS" players to take the risk BH did because it's still +ev after setup costs, dependent on one's risk tolerance or lack of, morals, whatever you wanna call it. I myself would LOVE to play on euro sites on other accounts but as SS mtt player it's not justifiable cost wise, assuming my reason for playing is profit and not enjoyment, and I can play for fun on US facing sites so why would I want to play on PS/euro sites? because im +ev in those games also, I'm just dont have the funds or the contacts, and probably couldn't sleep at night worrying about my funds and account being seized. I've got no qualms with US players currently using VPN's, and every software sites TOS allow for to gain ev, coaching, ghosting etc I have done or still do all of this the best I can, its the MA stuff I'm not cool with. I don't mean to divert the podcast thread perhaps these posts should be moved to the main Stinger88 thread.

it's ok, people brought the issue over here and joey made a podcast about it, so there's naturally going to be some comments and some debate.

i preferred not to get involved in nvg because it's just too tilting

Of course this is true, however, having someone who is very visible in the online poker community act in a way that could be potentially damaging to the image of online poker as a whole is still pretty ****ed up.

Let's just agree to disagree in that I believe that Brian's actions have a nonzero impact on how online poker and the players involved are looked upon.

Whether it has any tangible impact on legislation is still up for debate in my mind, but I can say for certain that there is no upside to this story breaking, unless it sparks the powers that be to enforce strict MA policies.

Strict ma policies are already in place, youre speculating about an issue which you're uninformed on

And yes we def disagree on the material impact of this thing w brian on usa#1 legislative efforts

Not strict enough in my mind.


nothing short of BEHEADING is acceptable.

In fact, once stars bans his acct because hes such a moron that he admitted to it in documented txt msgs, it will be a net positive thing for stars re: legislation because it will show that they arent ****ing around

Joey its a way bigger deal for someone like Stinger to do this than everyone else bc of how elite of a player he is. Your justification that a lot of other people are doing this is completely illogical when you take this into consideration. The impact of a tough 10/20 reg MA'ing is minimal compared to a top 50 PLO/mixed game player like Brian doing this.

Lol he could have just kept his dumbass mouth shut about it, nobody would be able to prove that noelhayes didnt actually get a coach and/or put in a ton of work and practice to make drastic improvements to his game, because all the allegations were initially nothing more than he said she said, which by itself never would have resulted in getting his accts closed

Pretty much a true lock that hes getting his **** closed now, pull a babs and milk your wifes tits on that one